Are Louisiana's CCW Laws Unconstitutional?

[Leonidas]

Why does the same logic not seem to work with minorities who can't get an ID to vote? Not accusing you of supporting that statement, not putting words in your mouth.

I went twice to the local PD for my prints. First time to find out how to get them done, second to get them done. I had to press a button, tell them what I wanted, slide cash into a slot, before I was allowed in, then was buzzed in and printed. No huge deal, but if you required that for voting, I suspect there would be much talk of voter suppression.

Exactly. And voting rights weren't addressed by the Founders in the Bill of Rights.

Its all very Saul Alinsky to toss the word "tinfoil" around to stifle and marginalize disagreement. But the word refers to conspiracy theorizing. It really doesn't belong in a sober discussion of what is proper for government to involve itself in, regardless of the motivation.

 

[charlie12]

I guess I really can't answer that. I have a ccw but I can't carry it without a CHP so I don't really know about just a ccw.

 

[Fred_G]

I guess I really can't answer that. I have a ccw but I can't carry it without a CHP so I don't really know about just a ccw.

This adds so much to the conversation. We can now clarify CHL as to be legally able to carry a concealed weapon in LA. Thank you for your insight, and helpful post, that adds so much to the conversation.

 

[D-Ray86]

Playing a little devils advocate here. Wouldn't the fact the state allows open carry void this conversation? Anyone is the state(-convicted felons) have the right to carry without testing, finger printing, or waiting. This next part is just personal opinion. As a LEO I am much more at ease with ppl who declare they have a CCP, because I know they spent the time to take a course and obtain the right to conceal carry.

 

[SVT]

Playing a little devils advocate here. Wouldn't the fact the state allows open carry void this conversation?

I would completely agree with you IF the Constitution said we had the Right to Bear Arms Openly, or the Right to Open Carry.

 

[D-Ray86]

But on that same note it doesn't specify the right to carry a firearm in a matter not visible to the public, which may have not been thought of considering the types of firearms in that time.

 

[Leonidas]

Can one get in trouble for carrying a knife concealed? Did they have concealable knives in 1791. The Founders also didn't say specifically that they were talking about firearms. Seems they deliberately left the subject open to whatever "arms" were developed that they did not foresee. They were not a bunch of idiots oblivious to technological evolution. Look into it, and you will discover that they chose their words carefully. Unlike folks today.

 

[charlie12]

This adds so much to the conversation. We can now clarify CHL as to be legally able to carry a concealed weapon in LA. Thank you for your insight, and helpful post, that adds so much to the conversation.

Wrong We have a Louisiana Concealed Handgun Permitperiod. It's NOT a concealed weaponlicense. With a CHP all it covers is handguns that's why the name is Concealed HANDGUN Permit.
In some states you can have a Concealed Weapons Permit to carry other weapons concealed but not in La.

You could be arrested in Louisiana under RS 14:95 Illegal carrying of weapons and have a CHP and your handgun on you concealed if you had some other type of weapon on you, for the other weapon and not the gun.

I hope you see where I'm going. Most of the people reporting about guns and the ones making our gun laws don't know **** about guns. So it would help US if we in the gun world understand and use the right terminology so they won't think we are a bunch of dummies.

 

[Danny Abear]

Where is MEM when you need him?

 

[charlie12]

Where is MEM when you need him?

Don't know since they closed Greenwell Springs Hospital

 

[JBP55]

Don't know since they closed Greenwell Springs Hospital

Mandeville?

 

[Fred_G]

Wrong We have a Louisiana Concealed Handgun Permitperiod. It's NOT a concealed weaponlicense. With a CHP all it covers is handguns that's why the name is Concealed HANDGUN Permit.
In some states you can have a Concealed Weapons Permit to carry other weapons concealed but not in La.

You could be arrested in Louisiana under RS 14:95 Illegal carrying of weapons and have a CHP and your handgun on you concealed if you had some other type of weapon on you, for the other weapon and not the gun.

I hope you see where I'm going. Most of the people reporting about guns and the ones making our gun laws don't know **** about guns. So it would help US if we in the gun world understand and use the right terminology so they won't think we are a bunch of dummies.

Why do the terminology and grammar police not use accurate terminology? I admit my error about the weapon, I meant handguns. but, I posted weapons, my bad. Last I checked, Louisiana was properly abbreviated as LA, not La.

Just saying, if you gonna point out errors, watch your own back..


Just messing with you.

 

[AustinBR]

Why do the terminology and grammar police not use accurate terminology? I admit my error about the weapon, I meant handguns. but, I posted weapons, my bad. Last I checked, Louisiana was properly abbreviated as LA, not La.

Just saying, if you gonna point out errors, watch your own back..


Just messing with you.

 

[Fred_G]

I have been told I have a strange sense of humor. Could possibly be true.

 

[kcinnick]

My fingerprints are in the system so many times, the last time I went to send them in, the FBI told me don't worry about it, we can't upload any more of your fingerprints in our system! The state police printed my permit the day I turned in my application as a favor, but I had been working with them to resolve an issue and they knew my CHP lapsed due to circumstances beyond my control.

As far as Louisiana becoming a constitutional carry state, I am pretty sure that was the intent of the voters who voted yes on 2, now for the courts to get it right. It does have it's drawbacks for travel if the CHP unit ceases to issue permits. It would be nice to carry not on a permit so you don't have duty to report, but when you go out of state carry the right to carry with you...

 

[alpinehyperlite]

^ great point.

 

[SVT]

But on that same note it doesn't specify the right to carry a firearm in a matter not visible to the public, which may have not been thought of considering the types of firearms in that time.

Well, it's on you to provide evidence that the Founders did not consider concealing a firearm to be a Right. I'd be interested to read what you have showing this.

 

[Vermiform]

[h=1]Are Louisiana's CCW Laws Unconstitutional?[/h]
There may be some different legal interpretations here depending on whose constitution you are applying; The United States' or Louisiana's State Constitution.

I think that CCW Laws are unconstitutional according to the Louisiana constitution now because they do not pass the strict scrutiny test.

 

[gunner_lee]

I think there's still one uniform officer and 2 ladies working in the CCL office. And on average over 1000 applications come in a week. That's probably why it's taking so long to get your license back to you.

 

[JNieman]

[h=1]Are Louisiana's CCW Laws Unconstitutional?[/h]
There may be some different legal interpretations here depending on whose constitution you are applying; The United States' or Louisiana's State Constitution.

I think that CCW Laws are unconstitutional according to the Louisiana constitution now because they do not pass the strict scrutiny test.

OP specifically mentioned the recent Con. Am. to the State Con. so I assume we're talking Loozyanna. Though I think some discussion went broader. I don't think it's in line with either, honestly.