Are those 500s?I agree with the 930 being reliable (plus you can ghost load that tenth round!) and also taking a class or two. Self defense with a shotgun is a different animal.
There’s a 930 somewhere in this pic…
The advantage of a shotgun is reduced chance of over penetration and putting a round in a neighbors house.I prefer the remington 870 if going with a pistol grip style stock or any of the adapters that run an pistol grip. I put the large domed Wilson combat safety button on and find that i can easily de-activate the safety when placing my find on the trigger, the safety contacts the 1st part of my trigger finger by the knuckle and I can press it off. I prefer this over the tang safety of the mossberg 500 which requires reaching over the top of the gun, which is fine with a std stock but not optimum with a pistol grip. The maverick 88 which is very similar to a 500, although it has the safety mounted near the trigger which is impossible for me to reach with the trigger hand.
Better question is what will a HD shotgun do for you that a handgun will not? A pump gun will require 2 hands to run (unless you are Linda Hamilton) and be more difficult to maneuver through your house than a handgun. Mounting a light on a shotgun is doable but not as easy as a handgun. Accurate shot placement is king, and I would stake my worthless reputation on the fact that most will shoot a handgun more accurately than a shotgun. Reloads for HD are likely not needed, but a handgun will have a greater capacity and reloads are easier (not likely to carry a backup mag for your handgun in a HD scenario so that point may be moot) than a shotgun. And do you need a powerful shotgun for HD? if you are using mini shells or reduced power loads you may find something like 45acp or even 9mm is superior for the job at hand. A 45 acp pistol with a can sure seems like a better choice for HD...
You should research some ballistics before saying this so the uninformed read it and believe it.The advantage of a shotgun is reduced chance of over penetration and putting a round in a neighbors house.
I have a VEPR 12 but damn that thing is heavy as hell (10 lbs). I put the Carolina Shooters muzzle break on it. I'm sure that adds some weight.Veper 12
that screams, "MAKE ME A SHORT BARREL SHOTGUN" lolI have a VEPR 12 but damn that thing is heavy as hell (10 lbs). I put the Carolina Shooters muzzle break on it. I'm sure that adds some weight.
Where is your reference for these numbers? Not saying your are wrong just curious to read it.You should research some ballistics before saying this so the uninformed read it and believe it.
12g 00Buck will enter 12 inches of 10% ballistic gel, exit it, enter a sheetrock wall, exit it, enter the second sheetrock wall and exit it.
9mm hollowpoint expanding projectile will enter the 12" of gel, exit and enter the sheetrock, then not exit.
Of course there are a lot of variables but in general the 9mm will not penetrate human tissue and then sheetrock like 12g 00buck will. It will travel and exit more than the 9mm will.
Using #4 or birdshot will change this ratio the other way, and 9mm ball rounds will penetrate significantly more than expanding hollow points.
We used to shoot ballistic gel for clients at a previous job, I have been to numerous Hornady gel shoots (Going to another on the 24th in NOLA) , and here is a quick one...Where is your reference for these numbers? Not saying your are wrong just curious to read it.
Please cut that barrel down ! It would be so much coolerI have a VEPR 12 but damn that thing is heavy as hell (10 lbs). I put the Carolina Shooters muzzle break on it. I'm sure that adds some weight.
I can't imagine how much louder!Please cut that barrel down ! It would be so much cooler
(And I literally mean this in the Form1 SBR type suggestion, for the Fed's reading, and so I can make $$$ from you doing it)
Birdshot for the win....Not the best round for permanent wound cavities though.Scroll down to the shotgun test
Ok you guys were right. The SBS version is way cooler!Please cut that barrel down ! It would be so much cooler
(And I literally mean this in the Form1 SBR type suggestion, for the Fed's reading, and so I can make $$$ from you doing it)
A blast to the face would be nasty but yeah buckshot is the way to go.Birdshot for the win....Not the best round for permanent wound cavities though.
Well, yeah, I guess that too…The advantage of a shotgun is reduced chance of over penetration and putting a round in a neighbors house.
Absolutely, Kurt. So many ill informed here on BS. 12g 00 buck is nine .30 cal pellets flying at 1300 fps, a massive amount of collective energy! Why Magdump can shoot thru interior walls at an intruder, LOL. The only thing worse would be 12g slugs, 1 oz, and even more penetration than 00 buck. Not a man alive on earth that can take a 12g slug to the chest @ close range and keep on fighting. You can stop a bear cold with well placed 12g slugs.You should research some ballistics before saying this so the uninformed read it and believe it.
12g 00Buck will enter 12 inches of 10% ballistic gel, exit it, enter a sheetrock wall, exit it, enter the second sheetrock wall and exit it.
9mm hollowpoint expanding projectile will enter the 12" of gel, exit and enter the sheetrock, then not exit.
Of course there are a lot of variables but in general the 9mm will not penetrate human tissue and then sheetrock like 12g 00buck will. It will travel and exit more than the 9mm will.
Using #4 or birdshot will change this ratio the other way, and 9mm ball rounds will penetrate significantly more than expanding hollow points.