COVID VAX

[buttanic]

Let me get this straight, everybody needs to get injected with an as yet still experimental drug even if you aren't sick from a disease with death rate of 1.5% but a person with a disease with a death rate of 98.5%% can't get an experimental drug because it's well, experimental, yea that's the ticket.

 

[Fugum]

Americans could end it without vaccination, but we lack the will and the guts.

There are a number of countries with various forms of government that have squashed their infections. Some of them do it with military/police presence by making people stay in their homes. New Zealand has a more democratic approach with buy-in from the population. They up masking, contact tracing, and isolation whenever cases occur. NZ has had only 26 deaths from the virus to date. Much of the time there are no detectable cases of infection in the country and they go about as usual.

The US has gotten soft (in will and in the head) and is unwilling to pay the price. It's an infectious disease and it's easy to stamp it out - others have and are doing it. This virus nonsense could be shut down cold, but the country has half-assed it all the way so far.

Is that the same New Zealand that just went on national lockdown again this morning? Where you can leave your house only for groceries, covid testing, exercise, or essential medical care?

 

[johnpaul]

vax

That may very well be... but still, it should be the individual's choice to get it or not. If they die, that's the choice they made! Correct?

FYI, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't... As of July 21, 2021, the CDC's website stated through July 19, 2021, there were 6,207 reports of deaths of people that received the Vaccine. So you're rolling the dice either way.

How many died and wished they were vaccinated?

 

[Dieselhorses]

How many died and wished they were vaccinated?

How many died and wished they were not vaccinated? Why does thread even exist? You not going to get anywhere with anybody because everybody has a different opinion. Sure, share your stories, tell us how you died from Covid (or almost did) and how healthcare professionals said "game on". Tell us how you died or almost died from the vaccine and how the CDC didn't record it and the healthcare professionals at hospital welcomed you with open arms. It's simply our constitutional right to either take the ridiculous shot or not. Watched IN PERSON too many people flat on their backs from the vaccine literally tearing up their vaccine cards. 1 out of every 3 people getting vaccines at my local pharmacy falls out for any number of reasons. It's a gamble. Joe1 might take it and live. Joe2 might take it and die. Joe3 might take it and 5 years down the road suffer from blood clots or aneurism. Natural antibodies have been ruled out as science. Too many people having faith in a failing government and too naïve to see it. Yes I feel for all our veterans as I'm one too. Hard pill to swallow in a way. All that hard work to get where we are today. Current administration did a top notch job on dividing the country but head too far up azz to save Americans in Afghanistan. "Corruption" is a walk in the park compared to what's coming. Ask yourself this, instead of writing off stuff as "misinformation or disinformation, false context or misleading info", do some research yourself. I'm not talking about spending a week at the CDC's website, I'm talking about typing a few words in the search box. (Use any other search engine but G__gle!!! And if you want to know why I feel for you.) I guarantee you, you'll find some interesting facts and peered reviews from Pathologist, Immunologist, Dr.'s, Scientist, Virologist, etc.. And then when you factor in the "fear", your body's immune system diminishes. Get brave, get smart, get informed, ask questions, be strong-this is how we retain our freedoms and liberty's.

 

[johnpaul]

Just for the record..corona has been around for awhile.Sars has been around,a corona virus,so a vaccine has been in development.The reason it's called covid 19 is because it's a corona variant that showed up in 2019! That's why the vaccine came out so quickly.They just tweaked the sars vaccine.Now we have have delta variant because not enough people will get a painless shot that doesn't have a chip in it to track you,like your cellphone.So,now it's going to mutate,like influenza.Influenza is a bastard,and I hope that covid doesn't become like the flu

 

[johnpaul]

Extremely few

 

[johnpaul]

The point is the unvaccinated are infecting the unvaccinated.Now,all these children are being thrown into school and their parents are protesting about wearing masks.I don't have any kids(that I know of),but can you imagine the grief? Kids are dying because they can't be vaccinated right now.Sure,it's not many,but....

 

[johnpaul]

Covid vaccines have been in development for awhile,SARS is a covid virus

 

[Gus McCrae]

A good read on the safety of the vaccines. The numbers are pretty staggering.

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/ite...-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines

 

[Gus McCrae]

Not a thing is wrong with that... I don't agree completely with the Constitutional comment, however, as I've said repeatedly... If the FDA approves it, which we have not heard a peep on... then just as any other vaccine, it should be the PEOPLES CHOICE... and with that choice, they suffer the consequences.

For yet another example... parents currently have the right to NOT vaccinate their children against ANY viruses. It is their right to do so. However, they then have to deal with the possibilities of that child then contracting one of those viruses vaccinated against. Does that mean one of the consequences is having to home school that child? Maybe. But they accept that going in.

You're still not addressing the fact that if someone chooses to not get the vax... whom are they hurting other than those who also have chosen not to get it? And before you jump on it, I understand that those Vax'd can catch it, die from it, spread it... so then WHY GET THE VAX AT ALL IF THE SAME RULES APPLY???????

This is just insanity at this point. A "Social Contract"? Please. Where's the social contract on all of the processed foods that cause cancer? The chemical companies that pollute drinking water and the ground? The oil companies that are polluting the ocean? Or maybe all of those living off the government that should have a social contract to get a job and pay into our society like the rest of us do. Don't try to now say this is because of a social contract to make the world a better place. I'm glad it gives you warm and fuzzies to be vax'd... or maybe thats a side effect... but keep your social distance and take your Social Contract with you.

Oh, and your Jacobson v. Massachusetts... when Corona kills 300 MILLION worldwide... then maybe push the smallpox comparison.

Same rules don't apply.

The vaccinated will put less strain on the health care system.

The vaccinated are much less likely to get sick and spread the disease.

If the vaccinated does get sick, the recovery will be faster and the time frame where they can infect others is significantly reduced.

The same rules don't apply.

 

[buttanic]

A good read on the safety of the vaccines. The numbers are pretty staggering.

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/ite...-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines

If everything in the article is factual then why has the FDA not given it full approval. Surely that might convince many to get it including myself. It would also address the legal part as to if the government has the authority to enforce administration of it. Can anybody answer that question.

https://principia-scientific.com/nu...ed-medical-procedures-including-vaccinations/

It's amazing how people on here start foaming at the mouth at any mention of any proposed law that might restrict their 2nd amendment rights but are all in for violating the 4th on which why the my body, my choice abortion law is based.

 

[Jay L]

Also, it is completely Constitutional and not a violation of your Liberties if the Local, State, and/or Federal governments mandate the vaccine, or masks, or social distancing, or the like. This issue was settled by the SCOTUS in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).

There is a social contract here folks that we seem to have missed: we relinquish certain of our natural rights in order to live in a safe and reasonable society. What's so wrong with that?

Do you know that the man in this case paid a $5 fine and walked without getting the smallpox vaccine. Totally proves nothing.

 

[homeslice]

If everything in the article is factual then why has the FDA not given it full approval. Surely that might convince many to get it including myself. It would also address the legal part as to if the government has the authority to enforce administration of it. Can anybody answer that question.

https://principia-scientific.com/nu...ed-medical-procedures-including-vaccinations/

My current thought process is that as soon as the FDA approves it, the anti-vaxx, anti mask crew will move the goal post, calling the FDA an unreliable source and that somehow they were skewed to approving it sooner. I think they are likely working tirelessly monitoring all factors of data and doing their own studies and will approve it before end of year. But this is purely speculation from a non-conspiracy theorist, and I use Google to find my data, so clearly I'm a lost cause (even though DDG shows the same links).

ETA - I also don't understand the thought process of someone who is waiting on the FDA approval, but also distrusts the government to do the right thing in the case of this virus because they are just out there for the money to be made. If that was the case, wouldn't the FDA have already approved it?

 

[323MAR]

And again... if you CHOOSE NOT TO GET THE VAX... you are taking on that possible outcome. Again... if you decide you don't want it... and don't get it... and the beds aren't available.... TUFF TOOTSIE ROLLS! Those are the breaks! However... again... it should be everyone's CHOICE to get or not get the vax...

I won't get into the reports of EMPTY hospitals that they are saying are filled to capacity. Oh, and EVERY RN, LPRN, Doctor, etc. that I know personally has specifically said they REFUSE to get the Vax. I just lost a specialist doctor who left the practice she was working at because they were forcing her to get it. Now, as far as "impacting our medical care adversely... There are only so many options for hospitalization... which has ALWAYS been the case. If we had a mass casualty event, yes, it would overwhelm the hospitals... but that's a chance we take... or we have 2000 hospitals that are empty 99% of the time "just in case" something happens. So I accept the "adverse" medical care... as I have "just in case" my entire life.

Now, REGARDLESS... there are those dying that have RECEIVED the Vax... those that are spreading the virus that have RECEIVED the vax.... those that are transmitting the virus that have RECEIVED the vax... So get it or don't get it... the same rules apply! Or wait, should we then free up the beds for them because they took the Vax that now doesn't seem to be working as advertised?? Come on.

How about anti-vax'rs that have "survived" covid? Are they just as bad since they have the anti-bodies and "shouldn't" catch it again for 5 months? Or how about those refusing to get it because it is still "experimental"? Or maybe that it hasn't been approved by the FDA?

Or what about all those that have gotten it when in 10 years they develop some kind of illness related to the vax? Do those who didn't get it get to say "I told you so"? Or then bitch that all the Vax'd people are "TAKING UP ALL THE BEDS"??????

You WILL NOT convince me that there is ANY valid reason for the government to FORCE anyone to get the vax for this virus.

Sorry... I have to respond... it's kindof a OCD thing. Hahaha

I was not trying to convince you to take any of the vaccines. The highly effective Pfizer, Moderna, or the not as effective Johnson and Johnson(the one that has had deaths.). I was simply calling you out for those comments about medical professionals having to do their jobs. I should not have had to explain to you that this is about hospital capacity compared to your talk about having a right to a bed.
I read every word of your response.
Did you bother to actually read what I said sailor?

 

[323MAR]

The vaccine is not a drug. It is a vaccine. It takes longer to approve a drug. People complain about how long it takes for government to do things, then PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP decides to move the vaccines to the front of the line(you know, cut the red tape) as part of Operation Warp Speed. Now there are Conservatives who will not trust Trump? There are several Republicans Congressmen who have taken one of the vaccines.

FDA approval is actually not all it’s cracked up to be.
Last week I had an FDA approved Big Mac with extra cheese and an extra patty. My Wife had a double Quarter Pounder. If we did that all the time, the long term side effects would be costly and likely much worse than any vaccine.

Those of you who are worried about putting a vaccine into your body should therefore watch what you eat. Show the same concern for yourself when it comes down to what will really affect your long term health. Heart disease will kill you much sooner than any vaccine.

 

[Gus McCrae]

If everything in the article is factual then why has the FDA not given it full approval. Surely that might convince many to get it including myself. It would also address the legal part as to if the government has the authority to enforce administration of it. Can anybody answer that question.

https://principia-scientific.com/nu...ed-medical-procedures-including-vaccinations/

It's amazing how people on here start foaming at the mouth at any mention of any proposed law that might restrict their 2nd amendment rights but are all in for violating the 4th on which why the my body, my choice abortion law is based.

I'm not familiar with the process, but this might help.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahro...fda-fully-approved-any-covid-19-vaccines-yet/

 

[Jay L]

My current thought process is that as soon as the FDA approves it, the anti-vaxx, anti mask crew will move the goal post, calling the FDA an unreliable source and that somehow they were skewed to approving it sooner. I think they are likely working tirelessly monitoring all factors of data and doing their own studies and will approve it before end of year. But this is purely speculation from a non-conspiracy theorist, and I use Google to find my data, so clearly I'm a lost cause (even though DDG shows the same links).

ETA - I also don't understand the thought process of someone who is waiting on the FDA approval, but also distrusts the government to do the right thing in the case of this virus because they are just out there for the money to be made. If that was the case, wouldn't the FDA have already approved it?

How are the goal posts being moved? That seems to be the MO of the vaxxers. 1) get the vaccine. 2) it works (no, vaxxed and vaxxed stiil getting COVID. 3) you are going to have to take a booster. I am waiting for the next goalpost move from the CDC. Will it be get the vax or we will imprison you? Where will it end? I see americans pitted against each other over over a flu virus that medicine wants to treat in only 2 ways: go home and ride it out until you need the hospital or get the vax that doesn't work. I have to step back and question that based on the fact that I can get a bag full of meds for a snotty nose but nothing if that useless pcr test they are recalling says I have the 19. Why is that?

I am only following federal guidelines on vaccinations after all. Because I am doing what they do, not what they say. They are keeping the southern border open, bussing and flying illegals all over the country without vaxxing or testing for ANY disease for that matter. So that tells me that the government eithers supports a policy of no vaxxing or that the government is dangerous to my health. Think about it. Pay attention to what they do not what they say. Maybe it is time to demand answers as to why this lab got US dollars for gain of function research that spawned this virus instead of fighting among ourselves. If you want the vaccine, get it. If you don't want it, don't do it. This is America. Live your life as you did before this came along. Because the vax is not preventing anything. While I am on the subject, masks don't work either. The virus particle is .1 micron. N95 masks filter out 95% of particulate down to .3 microns. The virus will pass through the mask. Cloth and paper makes are the equivalent of wearing a hairnet on your face. This information is available to anyone willing to use a simple search engine. So save the name calling and derision. My biggest concern at this point is what people are using for brains. Critical thinking skills apparently have become nonexistent.

 

[thperez1972]

The vaccine is not a drug. It is a vaccine. It takes longer to approve a drug. People complain about how long it takes for government to do things, then PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP decides to move the vaccines to the front of the line(you know, cut the red tape) as part of Operation Warp Speed. Now there are Conservatives who will not trust Trump? There are several Republicans Congressmen who have taken one of the vaccines.

FDA approval is actually not all it’s cracked up to be.
Last week I had an FDA approved Big Mac with extra cheese and an extra patty. My Wife had a double Quarter Pounder. If we did that all the time, the long term side effects would be costly and likely much worse than any vaccine.

Those of you who are worried about putting a vaccine into your body should therefore watch what you eat. Show the same concern for yourself when it comes down to what will really affect your long term health. Heart disease will kill you much sooner than any vaccine.

FDA approval adds legitimacy and liability.

 

[homeslice]

While I am on the subject, masks don't work either. The virus particle is .1 micron. N95 masks filter out 95% of particulate down to .3 microns. The virus will pass through the mask. Cloth and paper makes are the equivalent of wearing a hairnet on your face. This information is available to anyone willing to use a simple search engine. So save the name calling and derision. My biggest concern at this point is what people are using for brains. Critical thinking skills apparently have become nonexistent.

See the mask thread for the numerous responses debunking this historically moronic misinformation. Thanks!

 

[Gus McCrae]

ETA - I also don't understand the thought process of someone who is waiting on the FDA approval, but also distrusts the government to do the right thing in the case of this virus because they are just out there for the money to be made. If that was the case, wouldn't the FDA have already approved it?

Because instead of critically analyzing information to improve an outcome, it's more important to use information to reinforce already established beliefs.