Edwards at it again. Mask up.

[homeslice]

Not going to happen. The companies that made then can't be held liable. If you get the virus and still get Chinese flu, then it don't work.

That's not how these types of vaccines work, unfortunately. It's not like the measles or countless other deadly diseases we've all but irradiated through vaccination... which, the anitvaxxers are bringing back, thanks for that! As we saw with Alpha, Beta, and Delta variants running rampant in vaccinated places. It's not possible to vaccinate for every new mutation that pops up. The best they can do it teach your body how to fight one version of the virus and hope that it will assist in new mutations. Look - I happen to agree with the mindset that you (Old School and buttanic) have. There's wisdom in it. It's like not buying the first generation of a new car, right? Let the works the kinks out and we'll pick up the next version with the updates. However, this is the best chance we have right now to get things back to normal and I'll happily take any attempt to not have to live with pneumonia or pneumonia like symptoms again. It's a miserable and life changing existence. Plus, I'm not to prideful to admit that I'm scared to have pneumonia again!

 

[krotsman]

Not going to happen. The companies that made then can't be held liable. If you get the virus and still get Chinese flu, then it don't work.

Or any of these other nice adverse reactions... From the CDC website (gov info, so no copyright issues in reposting)

For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 26, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.

To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 328 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After more than 13 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 137 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 22. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.

Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 26, 2021, VAERS has received 1,194 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 699 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 342 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 26, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,340 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

 

[swampfoxx]

This is my final response to this thread. The vaccine does not prevent you from getting the Covid, it only lessens your response, and can have many side effects.

Would you have taken the Polio vaccine if they told you that it doesn't prevent Polio, but only lessens the response?
Would you have taken the Smallpox vaccine if they told you that it doesn't prevent Smallpox, but only lessens the response?
Would you have taken the MMR (Measles/Mumps/Rubella) vaccine if they told you that it doesn't prevent MMR, but only lessens the response?
Would you have your wife take a contraceptive that doesn't prevent her from getting pregnant, but only "lessens the response"?

Don't forget that Thalidomide was FDA approved for pregnant mothers until it wasn't.

I will still take my chances with Ivermectin. I was in a casino in Denver last week and 1 out of 100 patrons were masked. I am not worried.

 

[dantheman]

There needs to be a new rule . No Covid threads .

 

[kz45]

It truly is a new religion.


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[Fugum]

There needs to be a new rule . No Covid threads .

+1

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[flyboy]

Stick a needle in your arm, wear the mask and suck on the gonads of the government! All of you are free to do what you wish to do with your body and I am free to do with my body. Oh, heck no. No vaccine and no mask for me!

 

[JB-Glock21]

Whew! managed to make it through the foregoing. Albeit, "....full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" In the end, Sick is Sick and Dead is Dead!

Debate that!

P.S. My condolences to those who've lost loved ones.

 

[323MAR]

GRANDFATHER!

How old?

Any underlying health conditions?


He was 83 and in perfect health. It all happened in under a week. I was hoping that he would make it into the 90’s like my Dad.

My Dad just passed away from natural causes Monday morning at 95. Like me, he was a Marine who went to war after high school. He was a greater man than me as he served in the Pacific during WW2 and later went to Korea, then retired during Vietnam. I was born late in his life while he was the Director of Emergency Preparedness(formerly Civil Defense.) for Louisiana.

This has been a sobering event for me. I am in no further mood to argue in the midst of all this death.
Do as you will everyone, but have the integrity and the moral courage to accept the consequences of your actions.

 

[991GT3]

GRANDFATHER!

How old?

Any underlying health conditions?


He was 83 and in perfect health. It all happened in under a week. I was hoping that he would make it into the 90’s like my Dad.

My Dad just passed away from natural causes Monday morning at 95. Like me, he was a Marine who went to war after high school. He was a greater man than me as he served in the Pacific during WW2 and later went to Korea, then retired during Vietnam. I was born late in his life while he was the Director of Emergency Preparedness(formerly Civil Defense.) for Louisiana.

This has been a sobering event for me. I am in no further mood to argue in the midst of all this death.
Do as you will everyone, but have the integrity and the moral courage to accept the consequences of your actions.

Brother, I am sorry for your losses. I did not mean you denigrate you’re post. I often hear young & middle aged people in poor health making demands on the healthy.

The good thing is that neither have to deal with this creeping Authoritarian Marxism that is no longer creeping; its striding across the world due to successive generations doing nothing to expose it, much less do anything about it.

Vitamin A, B complex, C, D3, Selenium, Zinc would be a great start.

Stay safe.


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[Fred_G]

Some of you folks seem pretty knowledgeable about medical stuff. I have a question. If an effective treatment for the 'rona was found (HCQ, Ivermectin..) would the FDA have to remove the emergency approval of the vaccines?

 

[kz45]

Some of you folks seem pretty knowledgeable about medical stuff. I have a question. If an effective treatment for the 'rona was found (HCQ, Ivermectin..) would the FDA have to remove the emergency approval of the vaccines?

Yes they would, and theirs not money on that.


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[buttanic]

Not going to happen. The companies that made then can't be held liable. If you get the virus and still get Chinese flu, then it don't work.

That's why it is still not FDA approved, to protect the drug companies from law suits.

 

[Gus McCrae]

My Wife has a friend who’s Father is dying of Covid-19 in St Bernard Parish RIGHT NOW!

Last night I spoke to a nurse I know who works at Oshner on Jefferson HWY after her shift ended. She broke down and cried while I patiently listened to her talk about how overwhelmed they are and watching people die.

This situation is very real and people want to complain about light masks?

Well, they are warriors for freedom!

 

[Gus McCrae]

Wrong there, bud. The virus attaches itself to droplets that get propelled out when you sneeze, cough, or spout your typical non-researched incorrect facts courtesy of that pretty blonde on Fox News. The problem with quarantining is that is only solves half of the problem. It only contains those who are visibly sick with symptoms. This virus can spread with folks who are completely asymptomatic and happily gathering together in large groups, still.

All I'll say is do your own research, looking at the science. You have been manipulated by large corporations in the last decades to ignore science, call them quacks, not trust the information they provide. This is especially true for tobacco companies "publishing their own studies." Whereas the folks who are publishing information (not at all related to the vaccine, mind you) have nothing to gain, and multiple documented sources to back up their claims. Right now, we have the worst possible wave of folks doing the wrong sorts of research. They get on google and type "Why don't masks work versus Coronavirus?" instead of "Mask effectiveness vs Covid-19." Then, they take information from the first result that links to a privately owned misinformation campaign and spout it out to all the people who will listen, who trust you. Then those people, trusting you've done your research because of your vitriol towards the topic, take it as gospel. They proceed to spread it again.

Also, guys. Please. For the love of God, do not take medicine designed for animals. Trust your doctor like you have all these years pre-covid. I can't believe I'm having to say, don't take a horse-dewormer...

I really don't get why others can't understand this on the masks. They think because the virus is smaller than the hole, that's all there is to it. They think too simple.

Of course this subset of people are taking Ivermectin which has no proven effectiveness on Covid because the vaccines haven't been FDA approved though they have been developed for and proven to help......

When you get people who have this kind of logic, what else can you expect?


I was talking to a guy from Texas who told me that 80% of new cases were vaccinated people. I of course was very surprised and interested about it, so I asked if he had something I could read about it.

He told me that it was from family that worked at a local hospital. I looked up some articles about this (in Texas) and the ones I found on the issue said the opposite.

I asked him about being sure that he got it correct and pointed out that some areas might have a high number vaccinated people which would turn up a higher number as he described.

Nope, wouldn't hear it. Then talked about me being involved in a class action lawsuit because of all the problems I was going to have because I was vaccinated.

WTF is wrong with people?

 

[Gus McCrae]

Some of you folks seem pretty knowledgeable about medical stuff. I have a question. If an effective treatment for the 'rona was found (HCQ, Ivermectin..) would the FDA have to remove the emergency approval of the vaccines?

If it were proven effective, the people who make Ivermectin would be all over it. There would be a ton of money on the table (paid for by our tax dollars) and the company wouldn't need to develop something new. It would be a huge win for them.

The reason that hasn't happened is because it doesn't work!

 

[Gus McCrae]

This is my final response to this thread. The vaccine does not prevent you from getting the Covid, it only lessens your response, and can have many side effects.

Would you have taken the Polio vaccine if they told you that it doesn't prevent Polio, but only lessens the response?
Would you have taken the Smallpox vaccine if they told you that it doesn't prevent Smallpox, but only lessens the response?
Would you have taken the MMR (Measles/Mumps/Rubella) vaccine if they told you that it doesn't prevent MMR, but only lessens the response?
Would you have your wife take a contraceptive that doesn't prevent her from getting pregnant, but only "lessens the response"?

Don't forget that Thalidomide was FDA approved for pregnant mothers until it wasn't.

I will still take my chances with Ivermectin. I was in a casino in Denver last week and 1 out of 100 patrons were masked. I am not worried.

Vaccines only prep the body to fight infection. It would be quite reasonable to expect a person taking a vaccine for a virus that was; a. highly contagious and b. prolific in its ability to reproduce, to still have issues fighting infection.

Those viruses you mentioned just aren't as prolific and hence the vaccines seem more effective.

 

[Danny Abear]

Something is wrong with this 'picture' when hospitals are getting paid $1000 per shot administered and a couple local hospitals are offering $100 cash to you for taking the shot...Seems like you can even get the shot at your local snoball stand..

 

[WhereIsIt?]

Something is wrong with this 'picture' when hospitals are getting paid $1000 per shot administered and a couple local hospitals are offering $100 cash to you for taking the shot...Seems like you can even get the shot at your local snoball stand..

Where did you read that at? I have health insurance.. They paid $45.

 

[Core]

https://www.katc.com/news/coronavirus/gov-edwards-expected-to-make-mask-mandate-decision

You need an bio-grade aerosol mask if you wish to stop the spread of this virus. Something like a P100 with carbon: with frequent cleaning and carbon filter swaps. This is not a feasible option.

Face masks help prevent a good deal of aerosol plumes. But wearing masks indoors without taking additional precautions to prevent the masks and hands from contaminating surfaces is useless. Fresh air, sanitization methods, and distancing work.

What this tells us is that the vaccine does not stop the transmission of the virus. It also tells us the vaccine does not prevent us from getting the virus. (this is obvious but it needs repeating).

Mandatory mask wearing assuming everyone wears a mask, does reduce the amount of virus left on surfaces. This is assuming the virus does not just pass through and transmit to another and given the size of the virus particles and aerosol it probably does pass through these fabric masks.

The vaccinated may spread the virus more than those who gain a natural immune response to the virus. There is a ton of science to support this theory due to the nature of the immune response of those vaccinated.

As always it should be a choice to wear a mask or get vaccinated when dealing with virus with such a low death rate.