HB60: if you live here, get a permit here

[Slidell Jim]

Ok, I like the whole idea behind HB60. It insures that a person has taken a class locally, has fired at a range recently (not 20yrs ago in the service), and is up to date on our LA state laws. All of these things are good things.

I've had a FL non-res permit for a while now, and it seems I'm getting the boot, atleast I'm grandfathered for a while. Then I have to get a LA resident license, move away, or stop carrying concealed. To a La CHP, I have to get rid of this little problem in my past, that's never come up in 12 years.....

RS 40:1379.3
(15) Not have been discharged from the Armed Forces of the United States with a discharge characterized as "Under Other than Honorable Conditions", a "Bad Conduct Discharge", or a "Dishonorable Discharge". In the case of Commissioned Officers and Warrant Officers of the United States Armed Forces, the punishment of "Dismissal" rendered subject to a verdict of "guilty" at a trial by military court-martial is deemed to be disqualifying under this Paragraph. For the purposes of this Paragraph, the United States Coast Guard is considered an armed force.

When I was 19 and in the Navy I got in trouble and got a OTH discharge. For what I did then, I expect to have gotten fired from my job, only thing was my employer was the USN. There were no police involved, not even MPs, no charges, no waivers, no BS, just a Captains Mast and an administrative discharge for misconduct on the job. If I did the same thing today on the job, as I did 12 years ago, again, I would expect my employer to fire me. ...but not to have it follow me around for the rest of my life...

While other states (I'm a FL non-res CWP holder) recognize the difference between a BCD or DD vs. an OTH, Louisiana lumps them all together. I've been lumped in with murderers, rapists, deserters, and traitors. Other things to mention: never been arrested, no criminal record, no speeding ticket for +5 yrs, have wife & 3 kids, current job for 10 years, lived in Slidell for ~18 years ( minus the 2 years in the Navy), no hits in NICS (I've purchased in the past year). I'm a very clean guy, almost squeeky!



So what I'm I supposed to do?

1. Go back to the navy and file for an overturn? I've looked at it, and it's a real long shot, but the most legit way. I do have a very specific reason now for requesting the change on my DD214, citing the change in laws here in LA and my status as a Florida permit holder.

2. Move away, I already own property in Liberty, MS. I would just have to change my homestead exemption, drivers license, registrations, tax forms, ect, ect ect. Quite a hassle. But then, I once again, I would be valid here with my FL non-res CWP.

3. Open carry? yeah, sometimes I do. Some of you recognize me from OCDO.... well there is a reason I got A CWP, it's a tactical reason.


Comments please, I have thick skin, so let me have it straight.

 

[Slidell Jim]

Just a thought, or joke maybe.

Do you think they might change the law (or write an exception) just for little ol' me? .... I heard something about a vending machine, dummy slugs, and "it was over 15years ago" being written in to some current proposed law...

 

[XD-GEM]

Just a thought, or joke maybe.

Do you think they might change the law (or write an exception) just for little ol' me? .... I heard something about a vending machine, dummy slugs, and "it was over 15years ago" being written in to some current proposed law...

For that to work, you need to be a politician's little buddy.

 

[Slidell Jim]

no responses .....
I guess maybe it's too touchy a subject.

 

[spanky]

Write the bill writer and explain your position (and the possible position of many others).

It certainly wont hurt.

 

[david mitchell]

I have contacted the NRA with my concerns about breaking recipocity with other southern states. Have there been problems with the current law? I have not applied for the LA CCP due to the requirement of past marriage records, 30 years in the past.I have been CCP in 2 other states. Even with a resident LA I cannot carry on S&WB property.What gives with that? I have been granted "L" clearences for unescorted access to nuke plants and have a current TWIC card. Squeeky clean.

 

[XD-GEM]

Even with a resident LA I cannot carry on S&WB property.

What prevents this?

 

[david mitchell]

Louisiana: Panel approves gun ban for S&WB plants, Jindal's office, NRA oppose bill


New Orleans Sewerage and Water Board officials won a narrow victory Thursday in their attempt to ban firearms and explosive devices from their plants and other facilities. The Senate Committee on Local and Municipal Affairs voted 3 2 for Senate Bill 526 by Sen. Edwin Murray, D New Orleans, which would give the board an exception to the state law that allows firearms to be carried onto a plant site as long as they are locked safely in a vehicle.


Read About It: The Times Picayune (New Orleans, La.)


Posted: 5/14/2010 9:27:33 AM

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[Tulse Luper]

I wrote the the Senator about this bill a while ago, asking what was the motivation behind the Sewerage and Water Board bill. I did not receive an answer.

 

[XD-GEM]

You are referring to SB526. It passed a Senate Committee (referred to in your article citation). It has not been voted on in the full Senate, and has little chance of passing there. So, unless they hurry it through both chambers, it will likely die from neglect at the end of the Session.

Still, it never hurts to let your Senator know you want a vote AGAINST the bill.

 

[dzelenka]

You are referring to SB526. It passed a Senate Committee (referred to in your article citation). It has not been voted on in the full Senate, and has little chance of passing there. So, unless they hurry it through both chambers, it will likely die from neglect at the end of the Session.

Still, it never hurts to let your Senator know you want a vote AGAINST the bill.

It will not become law this year for sure. In order for it to become law, the full senate would have to vote on it and then it would go to the House Administration of Criminal Justice Committee. The chairman of that committee, Rep. Wooton, has declared it dead on arrival.

 

[Tulse Luper]

The chairman of that committee, Rep. Wooton, has declared it dead on arrival.

That's priceless.

I have been meaning to check the video archives, but that can be a pain the ass. A lot of bills are brought up on behalf of other agencies, groups, organizing, etc. Do you know if this one was brought on behalf of the S&WB or was this Murray's brainchild alone.

 

[XD-GEM]

I tried to find out about this last time it came up and again this time. the only answers were a cross between "people need to feel safe" and the S&WB facilities are"critical infrastructure to be protected from terrorists."

 

[Tulse Luper]

I tried to find out about this last time it came up and again this time. the only answers were a cross between "people need to feel safe" and the S&WB facilities are"critical infrastructure to be protected from terrorists."

I had a feeling terrorists were getting the blame for this.

 

[david mitchell]

Has there been a trend of failures due to the use of FL non-resident CCW. After all this is a OC state. What is the problem?

 

[Tulse Luper]

Has there been a trend of failures due to the use of FL non-resident CCW. After all this is a OC state. What is the problem?

It's discussed in this thread:
http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25643

 

[david mitchell]

Thank you for the thread, I briefly read 1st and last page and do remember some of the verbage from the original post.
I did not see where any problem arose from the use of the Fl non-resident CCW.I googled the LA site and they do not address LA non-resident permit. My question is who is promoting another restriction for concealed carry.
Thanks,

 

[Slidell Jim]

Has there been a trend of failures due to the use of FL non-resident CCW. After all this is a OC state. What is the problem?

The trend of failures? I dont call it a trend, but I am one example of pending failure due to HB60 and the fact I have a Fl non-res, and I can't get a LA res permit.

What's the problem with OC? sure I can OC, I have before, I will again (I might be forced to again).

I want the permission to CC as an option, not all times in my life are appropriate to OC, I like the permitted option. HB60 is taking that away, and I have few options to make it legit. Move away from LA (I'm not planning to), get a discharge upgrade (I am working on my papers, will take weeks, and is a VERY long shot), or OC all the time.

 

[Tulse Luper]

Thank you for the thread, I briefly read 1st and last page and do remember some of the verbage from the original post.
I did not see where any problem arose from the use of the Fl non-resident CCW.I googled the LA site and they do not address LA non-resident permit. My question is who is promoting another restriction for concealed carry.
Thanks,

The reasoning is in the body of the thread I linked. You should read the whole thread. It might answer some questions.

HB60 was brought by Representative Wooton. I believe it was backed by the Louisiana State Police.

But you have to consider, Wooton also wrote the bill to due away with the 1000' school zone restriction for CHP holders.

 

[david mitchell]

Slidell Jim, I agree with you as to your needs and I think this is solution to a non problem.

I also remember when the CCW in LA was first being debated, the head State Trooper said if the bill for CCW was passed "all" traffic stops would would be taken to the ground regardless of the dress of the man or woman.

What about residents that reside within 1000' of a school zone and do not have a CCW?