"House panel advances bill requiring 25-foot distance from police officers"

[thperez1972]

Without resorting to silly commentary , I'll just say I don't think it's going to work . I do think it's going to cause more problems that it cures .

Before the law:
police - sir, back up, you're interfering with this investigation
bystander (since some people are big on the bystanders having some occupation, perhaps a tug boat captain) takes a step back - no I'm not
police - keep going, you're still interfering with this investigation
bystander takes a step back - no I'm not
police - keep going, you're still interfering with this investigation
bystander takes a step back - no I'm not
police - keep going, you're still interfering with this investigation
bystander takes a step back - no I'm not


After the law:
police - sir, back up 25 feet, you're interfering with this investigation
bystander (maybe this one is an uber driver) backs up 25 feet - no I'm not

I see you're point now. Having an objective standard is much more confusing than having a subjective one.

 

[davidd]

Without resorting to silly commentary , I'll just say I don't think it's going to work . I do think it's going to cause more problems that it cures .

Maybe. But my respectful reply, based on the stories my BIL in BRPD has told me over the years, has me believing that this is a decent attempt to help maintain the welfare and security of officers engaged in crime scene activities who do not need to be dealing with people actively attempting to distract them (at best) or engage them (at worse).

 

[machinedrummer]

35 ft.
The orange door Special Duty ones go to 35ft.

I guess now they will have to carry two. lol old #7 As Doc would say, “I have one for the each of ya”.

 

[Gator 45/70]

I see a young Entrepeneur jumping on the yellow tape bandwagon with new tape like
Your within range B Boy
Get off my crime screen.
Taser Alley
Film This!
25 feet will get you lite.
Okay start?

 

[dantheman]

I see you're point now. Having an objective standard is much more confusing than having a subjective one.

Your assuming the standard will always be applied consistently and never challenged both in the field or in Court ? In a perfect world , yes . I'm actually ok with the law in theory . I just don't think it will work in the real world .

 

[thperez1972]

Your assuming the standard will always be applied consistently and never challenged both in the field or in Court ? In a perfect world , yes . I'm actually ok with the law in theory . I just don't think it will work in the real world .

The current law is challenged in the field and in court.

 

[M_Lee]

Former LEO here.
It's a good bill. These "auditors" and the like (AKA basement dwelling losers) who crowd a scene with their cellphones and squawk like chickens have no business being there and lets be honest, they're not doing it to preserve or protect anything.
I know the anti government paranoia runs deep in some circles, but a reasonable person sees the problems and issues that can arise with a gaggle of people crowding a scene which can get critical in a nano second.

 

[hotbiggun]

Former LEO here.
It's a good bill. These "auditors" and the like (AKA basement dwelling losers) who crowd a scene with their cellphones and squawk like chickens have no business being there and lets be honest, they're not doing it to preserve or protect anything.
I know the anti government paranoia runs deep in some circles, but a reasonable person sees the problems and issues that can arise with a gaggle of people crowding a scene which can get critical in a nano second.

The auditors are a solution to a huge proplem and they do have a right to be there. Want to fix the proplem? Change your hiring policy, end the BS blue line crap and train your people. Being a officer use to be a honarble proffession and still is in some communities. Problem is hiring practices are crap now and its giving the proffession a black eye.

 

[thperez1972]

The auditors are a solution to a huge proplem and they do have a right to be there. Want to fix the proplem? Change your hiring policy, end the BS blue line crap and train your people. Being a officer use to be a honarble proffession and still is in some communities. Problem is hiring practices are crap now and its giving the proffession a black eye.

Body cams were supposed to be a solution to a huge problem. It would finally show the widespread abuse of the public at the hands of the police. But that didn't happen. The bodycams showed that the widespread abuse only existed in the minds of the people whose complaints didn't match what the bodycams showed.

 

[foz1359]

Body cams were supposed to be a solution to a huge problem. It would finally show the widespread abuse of the public at the hands of the police. But that didn't happen. The bodycams showed that the widespread abuse only existed in the minds of the people whose complaints didn't match what the bodycams showed.

There is no solution to the huge problem because the problems are born and nurtured in the broken "minds of the people". Good and decent people with a moral compass based on God's Word have finally been overtaken by a fatherless, foul mouthed, immoral society where "nobody tells me what to do" and "I'm doing me, you do you". A few generations into this stagnant **** tank we find so called men with zero reference for a genuine authority and none looking for, nor seeing the need for one. LEOs are regarded as nothing more than a roadblock to "me doing me" - a surefire byproduct of the society they've signed up to protect and serve. That "noble profession" has changed. Look at the early outs -top notchers bailing on it as the risks and rewards are now as far as the East is to the West. Lawmakers are very well compensated and eager to pass around "legislation" that's surely THE "solution to a huge problem". No laws prior and none future will have any measureable impact whatsoever -a fool's fool believes otherwise. Even the finest LEO are becoming exhausted very quickly, much more inclined to throatpunch some agitating douchebag than to resort to a constantly changing, absurdly restrictive "policy and procedure manual". Nope, it's NOT the cop's fault -they're swirling in the same sewer, trying to survive the streets overflowing with sh^t!

 

[foz1359]

A traffic lane is 10ft wide? So officers stopping people on the highway/any public street will block 2 lanes of traffic, or else drivers are breaking the law. So now traffic stops require surrounding traffic to wait until the stop is over and the officer has completed their official business.

$200 ticket costs the public thousands or millions in commerce/time/losses as they stop traffic, get people fired from jobs due to being late, and make shipments late...that sounds about right for how the Government "helps" people.

Or the $200 ticket could save an innocent child from being run over by a speeding drunkard. Your slip is showing...

 

[foz1359]

Both of you are nicer guys than I. I was thinking more along the lines of a 25 foot long leash attached to a K9.
It would work........ya know it would.

Yup, just like the robotic K9's now being used for "crowd control" in LA and NYC -don't need a leash, they have laser measurement onboard and can upload the "auditor's" photo and actual distance to the database in less than 10ms. In other words ..."you never know just how you look until you get your picture took!"

 

[hotbiggun]

Yup, just like the robotic K9's now being used for "crowd control" in LA and NYC -don't need a leash, they have laser measurement onboard and can upload the "auditor's" photo and actual distance to the database in less than 10ms. In other words ..."you never know just how you look until you get your picture took!"

Crowd control for the MAGA crowd ? I ask because i have never seen a crowd control tactic on ANTIFA. Well Trump did once to save the old church and almost got impeached

 

[hotbiggun]

There is no solution to the huge problem because the problems are born and nurtured in the broken "minds of the people". Good and decent people with a moral compass based on God's Word have finally been overtaken by a fatherless, foul mouthed, immoral society where "nobody tells me what to do" and "I'm doing me, you do you". A few generations into this stagnant **** tank we find so called men with zero reference for a genuine authority and none looking for, nor seeing the need for one. LEOs are regarded as nothing more than a roadblock to "me doing me" - a surefire byproduct of the society they've signed up to protect and serve. That "noble profession" has changed. Look at the early outs -top notchers bailing on it as the risks and rewards are now as far as the East is to the West. Lawmakers are very well compensated and eager to pass around "legislation" that's surely THE "solution to a huge problem". No laws prior and none future will have any measureable impact whatsoever -a fool's fool believes otherwise. Even the finest LEO are becoming exhausted very quickly, much more inclined to throatpunch some agitating douchebag than to resort to a constantly changing, absurdly restrictive "policy and procedure manual". Nope, it's NOT the cop's fault -they're swirling in the same sewer, trying to survive the streets overflowing with sh^t!

See you are looking at it wrong. I assume you are LE? How do you feel about your brothers in blue protecting the communist? Do yall get together and talk about what you will do when its your turn to take sides against MAGA TO PROTECT ANTIFA or do you pray you never have to make that choice?

The boys in blue need to figure out what side they are on, sooner rather than later.

 

[machinedrummer]

Each officer should be issued a super high speed mini drone with razor sharp blades that works off of a perimeter beacon attached to the officer. As soon as the LEO exits the vehicle…body cam will activate and the drone will be deployed from a cool mount somewhere on the unit. It can do super fast circles at a pre determined distance chosen by the officer which can be adjusted accordingly. Flying fingers of death on scene! Stay back!

 

[hotbiggun]

Each officer should be issued a super high speed mini drone with razor sharp blades that works off of a perimeter beacon attached to the officer. As soon as the LEO exits the vehicle…body cam will activate and the drone will be deployed from a cool mount somewhere on the unit. It can do super fast circles at a pre determined distance chosen by the officer which can be adjusted accordingly. Flying fingers of death on scene! Stay back!

Actually that would be awesome. Lol

Imagine the headine. Thirty thousand were killed at a taylor swift concert when a officer assaigned to crowd control heard a acorn drop and activated the Flying Fingers of death !!

 

[machinedrummer]

30 thousand less Swifties would be a pretty good start to solve lots of social issues..IM JOKING!

 

[machinedrummer]

Give these guys commissions. They can work the ropes with a tire iron.

 

[GunRelated]

Body cams were supposed to be a solution to a huge problem. It would finally show the widespread abuse of the public at the hands of the police. But that didn't happen. The bodycams showed that the widespread abuse only existed in the minds of the people whose complaints didn't match what the bodycams showed.

That's because body cams can be ditched when needed. Don't ask me how I know.

 

[thperez1972]

See you are looking at it wrong. I assume you are LE? How do you feel about your brothers in blue protecting the communist? Do yall get together and talk about what you will do when its your turn to take sides against MAGA TO PROTECT ANTIFA or do you pray you never have to make that choice?

The boys in blue need to figure out what side they are on, sooner rather than later.

I've worked a number of peaceful events where my personal beliefs differed from the message being presented at the event.