Interesting study on handgun wounding...

[deafdave3]

Interesting study on handgun wounds and effectiveness, if y'all willing to read that much.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

I would like to hear everyone's opinion after reading it.

 

[Gus McCrae]

Read it before. It's why I'm not a big fan of .380 ACP. They generally get enough penetration in ball form, but maybe too much. Hollow points often do not.

 

[Armnhammer]

Aim for the head.

 

[508]

Aww man, no pictures.

 

[Jack]

I wouldn't really call it a study, unless I missed something. They stated the obvious, but did no research to actually compare rounds. I think the majority of the members here could've said the exact same thing, worded more poorly of course, but the exact same meaning and concepts.

 

[Leopardcurdog]

It was from 1989. There have been a lot of advancements since then.

 

[deafdave3]

I wouldn't really call it a study, unless I missed something. They stated the obvious, but did no research to actually compare rounds. I think the majority of the members here could've said the exact same thing, worded more poorly of course, but the exact same meaning and concepts.

You're the second one that tells me I should question my use of the word, "study"! Maybe I should have read the damn thing before posting it.

 

[SpeedRacer]

Maybe I should have read the damn thing before posting it.

That's never a bad idea.

 

[deafdave3]

Read it before. It's why I'm not a big fan of .380 ACP. They generally get enough penetration in ball form, but maybe too much. Hollow points often do not.

I wanted to dispute this. I googled "gel ballistics" for my favorite .380, Cor-Bon DPX. I was quite disappointed that I couldn't find any that showed 12+" penetration.

However, now I have to wonder... if I am determined to stick with my .380ACP, would 7" or 8" of hollow point be better or worse than full penetration?

 

[Golden Dragon]

I wanted to dispute this. I googled "gel ballistics" for my favorite .380, Cor-Bon DPX. I was quite disappointed that I couldn't find any that showed 12+" penetration.

However, now I have to wonder... if I am determined to stick with my .380ACP, would 7" or 8" of hollow point be better or worse than full penetration?

Shot placement or some/little luck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQqxbJMCCFQ

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

.380ACP is ballistic ally dubious.

 

[deafdave3]

.380ACP is ballistic ally dubious.

Obviously

 

[dawg23]

.. if I am determined to stick with my .380ACP, would 7" or 8" of hollow point be better or worse than full penetration?

Lotsa fail here ............ If I'm determined to fight house fires with a 16 ounce plastic bottle, should I use distilled water or tap water ?
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Oh, use FMJ ..................... and tap water.

 

[Cat]

… nevermind.

 

[Gus McCrae]

Gel isn't the same as people, but that 12" was picked for an all around compromise to get adequate penetration that an agent might need through shirt, coat, clothing.

.380 ACP has obviously killed people, but with a hollow point it may not get you what you need to stop the threat. 9mm or .38 Special +P get you there much more reliably.

They say a Colt 1851 Navy (.36 Caliber) has about the same power as .380 ACP... lots of people used the 1851. It was actually Wild Bill Hickock's weapon of choice and it worked for him..... but he was a good shot and it was using ball ammo. There are better choices today though.

 

[deafdave3]

If I wanted to make sure someone was KILLED, I would carry something bigger. I'm not looking to kill anyone; just to stop the attack. Furthermore, most of the attacks are stopped at the sight of the gun. Therefore, all calibers are equal in THAT aspect.

 

[SpeedRacer]

If I wanted to make sure someone was KILLED, I would carry something bigger. I'm not looking to kill anyone; just to stop the attack. Furthermore, most of the attacks are stopped at the sight of the gun. Therefore, all calibers are equal in THAT aspect.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. And that's saying a lot.

 

[deafdave3]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. And that's saying a lot.

That doesn't say much to me; I lost a lot of respect for you a long time ago.

 

[deafdave3]

I honestly thought the new mods were going to "change" this forum. There's obviously still a lot of people here acting like children, present company included.

 

[SpeedRacer]

That doesn't say much to me; I lost a lot of respect for you a long time ago.

Why you gotta make it personal?