mcinfantry
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http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/...vasion-Live.&p=1281230&viewfull=1#post1281230
I apologize I was wrong, my opinion was wrong
I apologize I was wrong, my opinion was wrong
UPDATE: Cannizarro Refuses to Charge; A friend was involved in a shooting
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mcinfantry
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no, jack. Its the same thing we have talked about before. it MAY be used against you. I absolutely encourage training to be proficient, safe, effective and competent. Im pointing out that depending on WHAT training you take may harm you depending on the scope, focus and amount.
i wouldnt suggest buying an ar, throwing it in your car then using it and then being hemmed up on the fact you have never fired a gun, or taken any training and hit innocent/wrong people either.
mcinfantry
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I only drink single malt, neat
"Earlier in the evening, a different neighbor said, the teen in the blue tank top had been biking around the area around 8 p.m. and the neighbor believed he was looking at different houses.
"I thought about calling the cops, but the last thing I want to do is racially profile a little kid who's just biking," said the neighbor, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The neighbor and Landry are white; the two teens are black."
I found this little bit interesting from the article. If the neighbor had called the police this would have probably been avoided. Guess people have learned that it is best just to lay low after the Zimmerman trial reaction.
"I thought about calling the cops, but the last thing I want to do is racially profile a little kid who's just biking," said the neighbor, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The neighbor and Landry are white; the two teens are black."
I found this little bit interesting from the article. If the neighbor had called the police this would have probably been avoided. Guess people have learned that it is best just to lay low after the Zimmerman trial reaction.
SpeedRacer
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The difference is, I only give my opinion, whereas you try to pass off your opinion as fact or worth more than anyone elses.
Besides, you obviously haven't read my posts in this thread. Instead you've simply resorted to talking about how awesome you are.
The two cases I brought up don't make me a legal expert. They simply prove that no one, even former cops, can with any certainty say what the outcome of a case will or should be. You said yourself it all depends on what the DA thinks, therefore the law and any past experience you are applying are useless.
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mcinfantry
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i agree. I had hoped people would realize to call cops, when they see something suspicious. which is what zimmerman did, he just interjected himself too much in my opinion.
SpeedRacer
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Can you cite a case where firearms training has been a factor in the outcome of the court case?
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mcinfantry
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that wasnt my intention. i am saying that i have true first hand accounts and experience in similar cases. I will not name names or too many details to protect some posters here who are/were involved.
You posted you think its ok, i post i dont. if you follow my opinion or yours, only one is likely to result in an arrest.
Is anyone currently providing tactical training ACTIVE duty? Being a former cop doesnt negate my life experience as one. But you are right, case law and laws DO change. Which is why I do try and keep up with the changes.
I didn't say it depends on what the DA thinks. I said the DA controls the Grand Jury.
The first part is a no-brainer.
As for the second....Well, there are places out there that most certainly make it 'your call'.
I'll just say this: I do not believe we want to see the day when thieves KNOW beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are a protected species. Because at that point, we are more or less finished. You may as well not own anything. It sucks to think of things in those terms- but it's true.
mcinfantry
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I can cite Florida v Zimmerman, which MMA training was attempted to be used as a factor in a self defense shooting where there was no alleged use of said training.
on you earlier example, the detached garage example is probably a good example of the gray area. While not considered part of the legal home (or inhabited dwelling) for insurance, i THINK it would be under the enumerated justifiable homicide clause.
I arrested a burglar under almost the exact conditions, minus he DID listen to commands to not move by the homeowner who held him at shotgun point. Had he moved the elder man wouldnt have had much choice, IN MY OPINION.
What would the jury think of a man's judgement who has no training and who chose to carry a firearm around?
Training doesn't make you a criminal.
Thinking things doesn't make you a criminal.
Internet forum posts don't make you a criminal.
Racism doesn't make you a criminal.
Criminal actions make you a criminal.
mcinfantry
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what would they think? you mean of the literal thousands of shootings in the last 200 years by people defending themselves? i guess not a lot.
SpeedRacer
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That's it? Zimmerman? Hard to say it was a factor when the dude is sitting at home probably eating a fish taco right now. If anything that suggests that it is NOT a factor after all.
Here's a more detailed story about my buddy's case: http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/05/alcebo-miller-may28.html
First sentence says it all.
And what's the difference between a detached garage or shed and a driveway? So now we're saying a roof the determining factor?
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mcinfantry
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the lines start to blur on burglary vs theft (misdemeanor vs felony) on location.
shooting a guy in a 10x12 shed in the backyard is different than a garage.
Jack: I'm sorry. I went back to reread your quote. You are right (I think) Deadly force does pertain to the home owner. I still think though that in all of that quagmire of law, somewhere, it states that the home owner is expected or understood to be in fear of life. Frankly all of it started making my eyes cross. My only point was that you can use a single part of the law. And sometimes a single statement carries great weight. But subsections and additions further on may change the little part that pertains to you.
For example:
It's illegal to drink alcoholic beverages until you're 21.
BUT(!!!) if the post commander says otherwise, you *MAY* be allowed to drink alcoholic beverages as a US soldier on military property.
So taking that first statement is correct. But further reading will add a slight modifier.
Hence my belief that somewhere it states the home owner is automatically assumed to be in fear of life as pertaining to the parts you quoted.
That was my thought on the whole quoting law thing. Ronnie put the whole enchilada up there. I believe when we're promoting what is legal, in this case (us going to jail) it's extremely important to consider everything. Not just parts.
And oh my god, have I confused anybody else? Jack are you with me?
For example:
It's illegal to drink alcoholic beverages until you're 21.
BUT(!!!) if the post commander says otherwise, you *MAY* be allowed to drink alcoholic beverages as a US soldier on military property.
So taking that first statement is correct. But further reading will add a slight modifier.
Hence my belief that somewhere it states the home owner is automatically assumed to be in fear of life as pertaining to the parts you quoted.
That was my thought on the whole quoting law thing. Ronnie put the whole enchilada up there. I believe when we're promoting what is legal, in this case (us going to jail) it's extremely important to consider everything. Not just parts.
And oh my god, have I confused anybody else? Jack are you with me?
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Hmmm. I don't remember that incident from 2010. However, I think the current political climate for justifiable homicide is cloudy with a chance of prosecution!
I hope he doesn't get in any trouble over this because there seems to be precedence here. We'll see.
