Why no news on new Suppressor laws for hunting?

[JNieman]

I'm being inundated with other states passing laws and bills for hunting with silencers/suppressors, and Louisiana has been disappointingly quiet, lately.

Outlaw quadrapeds is nice and all, but taking away all undue restrictions would be nicer.

I recently re-upped with LSA, because I can't remember how long it'd been since I joined and I noticed they have an old address... so I'm sure it'd lapsed anyways.

It seems to me that our legislature and current climate would favor reinforcing our current gun rights, and this would be a "safe" law for politicians to back so they can claim they're pro-gun.

 

[JR1572]

Being able to use suppressors for small/big in Louisiana would be great.

JR1572

 

[Gator 45/70]

I don't see why not , I mean it's not like they will hear you shoot or anything ?

 

[Ritten]

I'm being inundated with other states passing laws and bills for hunting with silencers/suppressors, and Louisiana has been disappointingly quiet, lately.

Outlaw quadrapeds is nice and all, but taking away all undue restrictions would be nicer.

I recently re-upped with LSA, because I can't remember how long it'd been since I joined and I noticed they have an old address... so I'm sure it'd lapsed anyways.

It seems to me that our legislature and current climate would favor reinforcing our current gun rights, and this would be a "safe" law for politicians to back so they can claim they're pro-gun.

We had a meeting this past weekend with most of LSA's law writers there. Did you bring it up before we talked about new legislation bills being proposed or after??

 

[Emperor]

We had a meeting this past weekend with most of LSA's law writers there. Did you bring it up before we talked about new legislation bills being proposed or after??

Correct! Anyone can hope for a law change, but you must get a Legislator to sponsor your bill/change. And the best way to get it in the pipeline is to have an organized group the Legislature either respects or fears to push the desired change.

Sucks! But that's the game!

 

[JNieman]

We had a meeting this past weekend with most of LSA's law writers there. Did you bring it up before we talked about new legislation bills being proposed or after??

I did not go to the meeting, and I've only brought it up here, just now, to see if anyone knew anything. I fully trust it's on the mind of the LSA and other movers and shakers. I have a feeling I'm out of the loop on LSA news, and seeking to get caught up, hopefully.

I am hoping to be more involved in the future.

 

[dzelenka]

Not happening this year. We are in a fiscal session and legislators can only submit 5 non fiscal bills. I don't see anyone using one of the 5 for this issue. Let's get another year of the outlaw quadrupeds under our belts before we ask for a change.

Dan

 

[JNieman]

Not happening this year. We are in a fiscal session and legislators can only submit 5 non fiscal bills. I don't see anyone using one of the 5 for this issue. Let's get another year of the outlaw quadrupeds under our belts before we ask for a change.

Dan

Logical. Thank you much for the explAnation. I assumed there was a reason.

Keep up the good work, guys. Thank you.

 

[Lafsnguy]

Not happening this year. We are in a fiscal session and legislators can only submit 5 non fiscal bills. I don't see anyone using one of the 5 for this issue. Let's get another year of the outlaw quadrupeds under our belts before we ask for a change.

Dan

I called and spoke to Page Cortez's office and was given this response. But we need to get this passed.

 

[JNieman]

I called and spoke to Page Cortez's office and was given this response. But we need to get this passed.

Yea, but honestly, if they're only allowed 5 non-fiscal bills this session, that's a tough thing to say they should put a silencer-hunting bill in. I mean, if we have to wait a matter of months, a year, whatever, before it's done, sure. It isn't practical to insist it be done at the cost of things more important to people, such as infrastructure issues or any other major concern that would take up the 5 spots. Yea, I'd like to see it asap, as well, but I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal to get it passed in the near future, and the State legislature has a lot of different things they have to address.

 

[jguilletjr]

I'm being inundated with other states passing laws and bills for hunting with silencers/suppressors, and Louisiana has been disappointingly quiet, lately.

Outlaw quadrapeds is nice and all, but taking away all undue restrictions would be nicer.

I recently re-upped with LSA, because I can't remember how long it'd been since I joined and I noticed they have an old address... so I'm sure it'd lapsed anyways.

It seems to me that our legislature and current climate would favor reinforcing our current gun rights, and this would be a "safe" law for politicians to back so they can claim they're pro-gun.

There recently was a discussion on this here, and the wildlife agents said there was no law against hunting with a suppressor. We already have too many laws. We don't need any more. If you want ot hunt with a suppressor go for it. (Not a bad Idea, it sure would be easier on your hearing)

 

[Ritten]

There recently was a discussion on this here, and the wildlife agents said there was no law against hunting with a suppressor. We already have too many laws. We don't need any more. If you want ot hunt with a suppressor go for it. (Not a bad Idea, it sure would be easier on your hearing)

 

[Bearco]

There recently was a discussion on this here, and the wildlife agents said there was no law against hunting with a suppressor. We already have too many laws. We don't need any more. If you want ot hunt with a suppressor go for it. (Not a bad Idea, it sure would be easier on your hearing)

Your advise could get someone in trouble.

RS 56:116.1
http://legis.la.gov/lss/lss.asp?doc=104867

§116.1. Wild birds and wild quadrupeds; times and methods of taking; penalties
A. Resident game birds, outlaw birds, game quadrupeds, and outlaw quadrupeds may be taken only in accordance with all of the following:
(1) In the open season.
(2) With or without the aid of dogs, except on wildlife management areas and refuges owned or leased by the department and in those areas of the state wherein the aid of dogs is specifically prohibited by rules and regulations adopted by the commission.
(3) By a licensee.
(4) In accordance with the bag and possession limits set by the commission.
(5) From one-half hour before official sunrise to one-half hour after official sunset.
(6) With a bow and arrow, crossbow, or rifle, or a handgun, or falconry or a shotgun not larger than a No. 10 gauge fired from the shoulder without a rest, except as otherwise provided in this Chapter.
(7) In accordance with rules and regulations adopted and promulgated by the commission.
(8) Use of a laser sight or sighting device which projects a beam of light to the target only by a person holding a physically challenged hunter permit, as authorized in R.S. 56:104.1, who has the impairment of visual functioning even after treatment and/or standard refractive correction, and has a visual acuity of equal to or less than 20/200 to light perception, or a visual field of less than ten degree from the point of fixation, as certified by a Louisiana licensed optometrist or ophthalmologist. Such hunter shall be accompanied by another licensed hunter and only the person holding the physically challenged hunter permit may discharge the firearm.
B. No person shall do any of the following:

(1) Hunt or take game birds or wild quadrupeds from a moving land vehicle or aircraft.
(2) Hunt, shoot, or take, or attempt to hunt, shoot, or take, game birds or wild quadrupeds across a highway or road right of way, defined as from one side of a highway or road right of way to the other.
(3) Take or kill any game bird or wild quadruped with a firearm fitted with any device to deaden or silence the sound of the discharge thereof; or fitted with an infrared sight, laser sight or except as provided in Paragraph (A)(8) of this Section any sighting device which projects a beam of light to the target or otherwise electronically illuminates the target, or device specifically designed to enhance vision at night; or with or by means of an automatic loading or hand operated repeating shotgun capable of holding more than three shells. Any shotgun capable of holding more than three shells shall be plugged with a one-piece filler incapable of removal through the loading end, so as to reduce the capacity of the gun to not more than three shells at one loading.

(4) Except as provided in Paragraph (A)(8) of this Section, take or kill any game bird or wild quadruped with a bow or crossbow or other archery equipment, which is equipped with an infrared or laser sight or any sighting device which projects a beam of light to the target or otherwise electronically illuminates the target.
(5) Take or kill on any calendar day during the open season, or in the aggregate during the open season, a greater number of migratory or resident game birds, protected birds, wild quadrupeds, or protected quadrupeds than that set and specified in the rules and regulations of the commission.
(6) Possess at any time any wild game bird or wild game quadruped or part thereof; or disturb or destroy any nest, or egg, or young of any such wild quadruped or wild bird, except as otherwise expressly provided in this Chapter.
(7) Possess at any time any wild game bird or wild game quadruped in a manner contrary to any of the provisions of R.S. 56:104 or R.S. 56:171 through 181 or any of the rules and regulations adopted pursuant thereto.
(8) Have in his personal possession in the field between the place taken and the domicile of the possessor more than the possession limit of game birds or wild quadrupeds, unless the game birds or wild quadrupeds are tagged with a tag indicating the species, the date and place taken, license number, and signature of the person who took the game birds or wild quadrupeds, indicating compliance with R.S. 56:115, 117, or 119 or any other provisions of this Chapter governing possession of game birds or wild quadrupeds, and any rules and regulations promulgated pursuant thereto.
(9) Take or kill any wild quadruped behind a rail or other object driven or pulled by a vehicle or other device, which practice is commonly known as mashing weeds.
(10) Hunt with firearms of any type or with bows and arrows after one-half hour after official sunset and before one-half hour before official sunrise; nor shall any person hunt with the aid of any artificial light at any time. This prohibition shall not affect night hunting of raccoons or opossums pursuant to Subsection C of this Section or of outlaw quadrupeds, nutria, or beaver pursuant to Subsection D of this Section. This prohibition shall not apply to the ingress or egress by a hunter during nondaylight hours with the aid of a handheld light.
(11) Hunt or take squirrels or rabbits at any time with a breach loaded rifle larger than a standard .22 caliber rimfire, or a muzzle loaded rifle larger than .36 caliber. Nothing herein shall preclude the use of a shotgun or pistol.
(12) Intentionally feed, deposit, place, distribute, expose, scatter, or cause to be fed, deposited, placed, distributed, exposed, or scattered, raw sweet potatoes to wild game quadrupeds.
C.(1) No person shall take or hunt furbearing animals at night with artificial light. It shall be lawful, however, for one or more licensed hunters with one or more dogs to hunt raccoons or opossums at night with lights, and to carry on such hunts for the purpose of taking raccoons or opossums not more than one standard .22 caliber rimfire firearm and to use single ball rimfire ammunition.
(2)(a) Farmers and landowners may hunt raccoons or opossums as provided by law with a .22 caliber rimfire rifle when the animals are found destroying crops of corn, sweet potatoes, watermelons, pecans, and other crops, with no bag limit any time of the year.
(b) Squirrels found destroying crops of pecans may be taken year-round by permit, which shall be valid thirty days from date of issuance. The permittee who is authorized to take squirrel may use a shotgun no larger than a 12 gauge and no smaller than a .410 gauge. The permittee shall delineate and the permit shall indicate the specific area in which this permit shall be valid. This permit shall be issued only by the department during normal working hours and may be obtained in person at the Baton Rouge office, at a district headquarters office, or at any other location designated by the department. There is no fee charged for the issuance of this permit.
(c) Notwithstanding the provisions of this Subsection to the contrary, any opossums, raccoons, nutria, otters, muskrat, mink, or beaver that are found destroying crawfish in a private pond primarily used for the purpose of commercially cultivating crawfish or destroying the structure of such pond may be taken as provided by law by the crawfish farmer or landowner with either a rimfire rifle no larger than a .22 caliber or a shotgun no larger than a 12-gauge using nontoxic shot no larger than BB-sized from a boat or vehicle with no bag limit any time of the year during daytime or nighttime hours.
(3) There shall be no bag limit on raccoon or opossum hunting during the open trapping season; however, the commission shall establish a bag limit for such hunting during that period of the year when the trapping season is closed. No one shall pelt or sell the skins or carcasses of raccoons and opossums taken during the open trapping season unless he is the holder of a valid trapper's license, which shall be required in addition to his basic hunting license. However, carcasses of raccoons and opossums taken on the last day of trapping season may be pelted or sold on the day immediately following the close of the season.
(4) It shall be legal for a licensed hunter to take raccoon or opossum during daylight hours during the open rabbit season.
(5) No person shall take or hunt raccoons or opossums from a boat or vehicle.
(6) The Wildlife and Fisheries Commission may adopt and promulgate rules and regulations that provide for the recreational taking of nutria. Such rules and regulations shall provide for the open season, methods of taking, hours for taking, and the bag and possession limits. Such rules and regulations shall in no way authorize the taking of nutria on privately owned land without the express permission of the landowner and shall prohibit the sale of nutria skins or carcasses except by the holder of a valid trapping license or by a licensed fur buyer or fur dealer.
D.(1) Outlaw quadrupeds, nutria, or beaver may be taken at any time of year from one-half hour before official sunrise to one-half hour after official sunset, without limit as to number, except by trapping during the closed season for nongame quadrupeds; however, such trapping may be used only under special permit issued by the department, except such trapping of outlaw quadrupeds may be used without special permit in accordance with rules and regulations promulgated by the commission.
(2) On private property, the landowner, or his lessee or agent with written permission and the landowner's contact information in his possession, may take outlaw quadrupeds, nutria, or beaver during nighttime hours from one-half hour after official sunset on the last day of February to one-half hour after official sunset the last day of August of that same year. Such taking may be with or without the aid of artificial light, infrared or laser sighting devices, or night vision devices. Any person attempting to take outlaw quadrupeds under the provisions of this Paragraph, within twenty-four hours prior to the attempted taking, shall notify the sheriff of the parish in which the property is located of his intention to attempt to take outlaw quadrupeds under the provisions of this Paragraph.
(3) Except as provided in this Paragraph, any person who is authorized to possess a firearm sound suppressor, as evidenced by payment and possession of the required federal tax stamp issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, may use a firearm fitted with a sound suppressor when taking outlaw quadrupeds, nutria, or beaver under the provisions of this Subsection. The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply to any person who has been convicted of a class four or greater hunting violation for a period of five years after the date of such conviction. Possession or use of a sound suppressor by such person shall be considered a violation of this Paragraph and shall be punished as a class six violation in accordance with the provisions of R.S. 56:36.

E. Bowhunters may carry on their person, while hunting with a bow, a pistol no larger than a .22 caliber with snake shot or rat shot ammunition for the purposes of killing snakes and rats.
F. Each taking of a migratory or resident game bird, protected bird, game quadruped, or protected quadruped in excess of the limit as set and specified in the rules and regulations of the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission, and each taking of such a migratory or resident game bird, protected bird, game quadruped, or protected quadruped in the closed season, constitutes a separate offense under the provisions of this Subpart.

G. Except where expressly stated to the contrary, the provisions of this Section shall apply to the taking or possession of deer, bear, and turkey. Where a specific prohibition and penalty relating to the taking or possession of deer, bear, or turkey has been provided in R.S. 56:116.3 or 116.4, the provisions of R.S. 56:116.3 or 116.4, as applicable, shall govern.
H. Violation of any of the provisions of this Section shall constitute a class three violation.
Acts 1992, No. 94, §1; Acts 1992, No. 857, §1; Acts 1992, No. 966, §1; Acts 1993, No. 82, §1; Acts 1995, No. 156, §1; Acts 1995, No. 453, §1; Acts 1996, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 84, §2; Acts 1999, No. 165, §1; Acts 1999, No. 469, §1; Acts 2001, No. 226, §1; Acts 2009, No. 55, §1; Acts 2009, No. 208, §1; Acts 2009, No. 322, §1; Acts 2010, No. 29, §1; Acts 2010, No. 254, §1, eff. June 17, 2010; Acts 2011, No. 27, §1; Acts 2011, No. 29, §1; Acts 2011, No. 95, §1; Acts 2012, No. 90, §1.

 

[Nail Gun]

There is no law against using supressors on AIR RIFLES for small game hunting in Louisiana... The reason, air guns are not considered to be firearms by LDWF.

 

[Lafsnguy]

Yea, but honestly, if they're only allowed 5 non-fiscal bills this session, that's a tough thing to say they should put a silencer-hunting bill in. I mean, if we have to wait a matter of months, a year, whatever, before it's done, sure. It isn't practical to insist it be done at the cost of things more important to people, such as infrastructure issues or any other major concern that would take up the 5 spots. Yea, I'd like to see it asap, as well, but I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal to get it passed in the near future, and the State legislature has a lot of different things they have to address.

I agree little chance of it happening this year but I'm going to be making some calls next year. There should be a limit on the number of new laws they can pass every year but an unlimited number of laws that they could remove. It seems like all they do is pass bills piling more and more crap on everyone. They could probably get rid of 90% of all laws and we would all be the better for it.

 

[JNieman]

Only because I'm betting 90% of laws are tax law

 

[jguilletjr]

Your advise could get someone in trouble.

RS 56:116.1
http://legis.la.gov/lss/lss.asp?doc=104867

My bad. Nevermind. I thought I remembered it being discussed all ready.