Chick Fillet Boycott Report

[BobKaro]

The issue here is the government's view of marriage and its benefits--not one of forcing any religion to accept gay marriage. A church wedding does not say whether or not you can get insurance benefits, or have medical visitations or make medical decisions or file joint tax returns or inheritance rights. All marriages are civil unions, because the government recognizes them. Any couple who is willing to join in a legal relationship (commonly called a marriage) should be allowed to and be recognized by the government. However, whether that union or marriage is blessed by any church would the the decision of the church, but would make the union or marriage no less legal.

If I am not mistaken, a large number of our local population is Catholic. If divorced, can you remarry in the Church or do you use a Justice of the Peace? If not married in the Church because you violate the Church's Christian principles does that mean you are not legally married???? But even so, the government recognizes it as a legal marriage with all the benefits the state provides for that relationship.

Now as far as Chick-Fil-A and their stand, that is absolutely within their Constitutional right (and we here are for the Constitution!) to speak their mind, but they must be prepared for whatever the public reaction may be--both good or bad.

This is my stance as well.

I was raised Catholic. My father is my mother's second husband and she was married in church the first time around. There's nothing religious about a marriage performed by a justice of the peace. You get married in a court house and you're lawfully married. As far as the Church was concerned my parents weren't married until 20 years later she got an annulment and the were remarried by our Deacon.

Legally recognized marriage has no baring on anyone's religious freedom. If you want your church marriage recognized as legal, then good news! It is. No one is saying that your church has to marry a gay couple anymore than they'd have to marry a couple of Atheist, Muslims, or even Protestants.

They just want a simple route to having a legally recognized relationship equal to a heterosexual couple. As easy to enter into and granting the same rights to inheritance, power of attorney, benefits, and finances as heterosexual marriages have now.

 

[Pacioli]

The wife and I are going to the one on Siegen Lane tomorrow just to show our support for free speech.

I'll be there for lunch today, couldn't make it yesterday. Maybe a few of us could meetup. 2A folks out to support the 1A!

 

[CEHollier]

This is my stance as well.

I was raised Catholic. My father is my mother's second husband and she was married in church the first time around. There's nothing religious about a marriage performed by a justice of the peace. You get married in a court house and you're lawfully married. As far as the Church was concerned my parents weren't married until 20 years later she got an annulment and the were remarried by our Deacon.

Legally recognized marriage has no baring on anyone's religious freedom. If you want your church marriage recognized as legal, then good news! It is. No one is saying that your church has to marry a gay couple anymore than they'd have to marry a couple of Atheist, Muslims, or even Protestants.

They just want a simple route to having a legally recognized relationship equal to a heterosexual couple. As easy to enter into and granting the same rights to inheritance, power of attorney, benefits, and finances as heterosexual marriages have now.

My fear is this. In this bat **** crazy political environment we live in the government forces churches to perform same sex marriages. Either through hate crime legislation or the loss of tax exempt status. At one point in time I thought this impossible but now I honestly fear it is possible.

 

[Yrdawg]

I somehow don't EVER see this " civil union " being blessed in any church I've been to.

Guess somebody's mamma didn't have a very strict policy about not putting things in his mouth.

Closest CF is 40 miles...still, I might make the trip today.

 

[drpc]

That's quite different than saying his company opposes gay marriage. Splitting hairs, I know.

My point is he was talking about his COMPANY'S stand, not his stand. This is all about "Chick fil A" being opposed to gay marrage. Well actually it's all about Liberal Public Officials threatening a business because of the BUSINESS is opposed to Gay Marrage.

AND I don't think peopel are flocking to CHick Fil A because they oppose Gay Marrage. Now that all the liberals are boycotting the restaurant they figure it has to be the cleanest, most germ free restaurant in town.

 

[d_hawkins]

God has everything to do with marriage and it should be between a man and a woman!
Bottom line..........

I admire a company or anyone who stands up for morals and what the bible says.

AMEN.

 

[drpc]

This is my stance as well.

I was raised Catholic. My father is my mother's second husband and she was married in church the first time around. There's nothing religious about a marriage performed by a justice of the peace. You get married in a court house and you're lawfully married. As far as the Church was concerned my parents weren't married until 20 years later she got an annulment and the were remarried by our Deacon.

Legally recognized marriage has no baring on anyone's religious freedom. If you want your church marriage recognized as legal, then good news! It is. No one is saying that your church has to marry a gay couple anymore than they'd have to marry a couple of Atheist, Muslims, or even Protestants.

They just want a simple route to having a legally recognized relationship equal to a heterosexual couple. As easy to enter into and granting the same rights to inheritance, power of attorney, benefits, and finances as heterosexual marriages have now.

Currently the church minister acts on behalf of the Church and the state. Couples married in a church ceremony are issued a State marrage license.
If gay marrage is passed in America, how long will it take before the ACLU files a lawsuit challanging a church's right to issue a STATE marrage license unless they are willing to marry same sex couples who belong to their church? So you'd have to go to a Justice of the Peace for a State License, then go to your church for the religious ceremony.

 

[Sugarbug]

My point is he was talking about his COMPANY'S stand, not his stand. This is all about "Chick fil A" being opposed to gay marrage. Well actually it's all about Liberal Public Officials threatening a business because of the BUSINESS is opposed to Gay Marrage.

AND I don't think peopel are flocking to CHick Fil A because they oppose Gay Marrage. Now that all the liberals are boycotting the restaurant they figure it has to be the cleanest, most germ free restaurant in town.

 

[buttanic]

To me it isn't about gay or marrage, it's about a goverment representatives, mayors of citys threating to not let a business do bisiness in said city because of the owners stated beliefs. It could just as well been the owner of a business being threated because the of different in beliefs between the mayors and a business owner over the 2nd amendment.

 

[Kraut]

I think yesterday (Wed.) was the support day, not a boycott day. It's my understanding that tomorrow (Fri.) is the day when there are planned protests and "kiss-ins" where gays are planning to flock to the restaurants and engage in public displays of affection.

 

[Bosco]

i dont think this Chic-Fil-A vs the homosexuals has as much to do with government as people make it out to be... today, Chic-Fil-A day, was supposed to be for the support of a CEO and corporation that values marriage, as God created it... the media and those pushing a homosexual agenda think they can shout down others, the same way the NAACP and Al Sharpton does, but it backfired big time.. whether government should be involved with marriage is another topic entirely..

Where does it say that God created marriage?

Marriage existed 5000 years ago, way before even Judaism existed, let alone Christianity.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2000/10/26/204128.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience

 

[Gus McCrae]

If your gay, Great! go be gay, but why force it down everybody elses throat (no pun inten....yeah, it's intended.)? If Gays want to be recognized by the church, why live a life that goes against it? We're all sinners in some way and were born with sin, and ask forgiveness and repent. If they believe in the Christian religion enough to be married in a house of worship and not follow the rules of that religion, what do they gain? If it doesn't accept you and your "lifestyle" then why try and force it to change it's beliefs for you? Tolerance is taught, but why can't a gay christian be tolerant enough to not defile the meaning of marriage for most everyone else?

It's more complicated than this though. Mine, CY09, and BobKaro's posts discuss this.

The issue here is the government's view of marriage and its benefits--not one of forcing any religion to accept gay marriage. A church wedding does not say whether or not you can get insurance benefits, or have medical visitations or make medical decisions or file joint tax returns or inheritance rights. All marriages are civil unions, because the government recognizes them. Any couple who is willing to join in a legal relationship (commonly called a marriage) should be allowed to and be recognized by the government. However, whether that union or marriage is blessed by any church would the the decision of the church, but would make the union or marriage no less legal.

This.

This is my stance as well.

Legally recognized marriage has no baring on anyone's religious freedom. If you want your church marriage recognized as legal, then good news! It is. No one is saying that your church has to marry a gay couple anymore than they'd have to marry a couple of Atheist, Muslims, or even Protestants.

They just want a simple route to having a legally recognized relationship equal to a heterosexual couple. As easy to enter into and granting the same rights to inheritance, power of attorney, benefits, and finances as heterosexual marriages have now.

And this.

My fear is this. In this bat **** crazy political environment we live in the government forces churches to perform same sex marriages. Either through hate crime legislation or the loss of tax exempt status. At one point in time I thought this impossible but now I honestly fear it is possible.

Not an issue until the Constitution changes.

Currently the church minister acts on behalf of the Church and the state. Couples married in a church ceremony are issued a State marrage license.
If gay marrage is passed in America, how long will it take before the ACLU files a lawsuit challanging a church's right to issue a STATE marrage license unless they are willing to marry same sex couples who belong to their church? So you'd have to go to a Justice of the Peace for a State License, then go to your church for the religious ceremony.

Not an issue until the Constitution changes.

 

[CY09]

If you think gay marriage is about religion only, then let's get government out of marriage all together. Wives and husbands should give up all the "perks" of government sanctioned marriages: health insurance, joint taxes, medical decisions, inheritance benefits, public displays of affection. If a Christian Church won't marry you, then you are not married.

But if your entire argument is based on the Bible, it's time to stop cutting your hair, give up shellfish or pork, stop wearing blended cloth, start beating your children, don't work at all on the Sabbath, take a concubine if your wife cannot bear children. I'm sure all of you tithe 10% of your total income to the church.

If you are going by the teaching of your specific church, your life just got stricter too. Don't dance, don't drink, don't divorce.

The government should not tell a religion what they can and cannot accept from its congregation, but the Church should not tell the government what is acceptable for the public.

Mixing government and religion is a very slippery slope.

 

[Gus McCrae]

The government should not tell a religion what they can and cannot accept from its congregation, but the Church should not tell the government what is acceptable for the public.

Free Speech.

 

[CY09]

Somehow this thread has changed to a same sex marriage issue. To respond the the topic listed, Chick fil a has every right to make any philosophical stand they wish and I totally support their right to do so. This man has put his faith and beliefs "out there" for the world to see and unfortunately publicly judge. I admire his strength of principle and his willingness to face a rude and unnecessarily "nasty" response. I think it is a shame when Americans can no longer stand to have anyone support a position opposite to their own individual ideals. We should all try to remember that America is a diverse nation and our Constitution protects everyone not just the people we agree with.

 

[CY09]

The government should not tell a religion what they can and cannot accept from its congregation, but the Church should not tell the government what is acceptable for the public.

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I misspoke here. The Church should not DICTATE to the government. That would be a Theocracy not a Democracy.

 

[Russo]

Where does it say that God created marriage?

Marriage existed 5000 years ago, way before even Judaism existed, let alone Christianity.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2000/10/26/204128.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience

God created marriage when he made Adam and Eve.. the marriage ceremony was intercourse...

 

[Bosco]

God created marriage when he made Adam and Eve.. the marriage ceremony was intercourse...

Marriage existed before the bible was written. That means before the story of Adam and Eve was told.

 

[Coonie]

So the whole agrument is about "perks" and "legal benifits" afforded to gay couples? I believe if local government wants to give civil unions to gays, that' up to local government. The union should grant all "perks" to the couple that are given to a married couple. You won't need a wedding band or bridal dress for that. Chick-Fil-a never said anything against gay couples or what they do in the privacy of their homes, and I'm sure that for as long as they've been open they have never turned away any gay person or couple. The crux of this whole protest would be what the gay community thinks Cathy feels about "marriage" and "union".

Ask most married couples if they're happy and you'd be surprised with the response. "One and done." or "Never again!"

Maybe gays should be careful what they wish for, they could end up taking all the Gay out of marriage.

 

[Russo]

Marriage existed before the bible was written. That means before the story of Adam and Eve was told.

so if something isn't written down, it's a lie? boy you sound like someone else on here..