COVID VAX

[flyboy]

So what you're saying is that vaccines are not magic? I don't think anyone is saying that it is. The intelligent folks are simply stating that having the vaccine greatly increases the chances of not catching and dying from the virus.

We can all quote empirical evidence that contradicts anything. I personally know people who have worn a seatbelt and died in a car crash. I also know folks who have played bumper cars many times while wearing a seatbelt and are still kicking.

Just because I know someone who died in a car crash with a seatbelt on does not mean that seatbelts don't work.

The thing I was saying is that even those who do get the jab can still catch the virus. Also many years ago my maternal grandfather died in a vehicle crash even though he was wearing his seat belt. If those two statements make me unintelligent/stupid, then I stand guilty as charged.

 

[Old School]

So what you're saying is that vaccines are not magic? I don't think anyone is saying that it is. The intelligent folks are simply stating that having the vaccine greatly increases the chances of not catching and dying from the virus.

We can all quote empirical evidence that contradicts anything. I personally know people who have worn a seatbelt and died in a car crash. I also know folks who have played bumper cars many times while wearing a seatbelt and are still kicking.

Just because I know someone who died in a car crash with a seatbelt on does not mean that seatbelts don't work.

Who decides who the intelligent folks are in this case, You or the Biden administration. Because some of the crap coming out of their mouth don't seem too intelligent.

 

[KDerekT83]

Who decides who the intelligent folks are in this case, You or the Biden administration. Because some of the crap coming out of their mouth don't seem too intelligent.

Lol.. I know most people on this board are not senators, legislators, lawyers, etc... But all things considered with the Biden administration, I'd think of the people here to be much more intelligent than anyone associated with Biden.

 

[buttanic]

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html

But wait, there is more.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243355

 

[Gus McCrae]

The "intelligent folk" keep changing their statement to meet the changing conditions. The getting "back to normalcy" statement has changed to "keep you from getting sick and dying" statement. There will be yet another significant change in statement by year's end. And that seatbelt, bumper car, car crash analogy MUST be directed toward the less intelligent folk. They know they're dumb and you point the finger like that, that's kinda cruel.

Two things:

1. Getting back to normal was based on the assumption that people would get vaccinated. Louisiana is at about 40%.
2. The Delta variant was not around or understood. It is much more aggressive as far as replicating, which reduces the ability to fight infection.


I just moved to Colorado. The Vaccination rate is working on 65%. When cases started ticking up, people started wearing masks indoors more frequently without being told to.

Colorado with 5.7 million people is averaging 1500 cases a day.

Louisiana with 4.6 million people is averaging 4650 cases a day.

 

[Gus McCrae]

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html

But wait, there is more.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243355

Isreal had 1000ish new cases and has a population of 9 million. Looks like they are doing better than us.

The second link is, well junk. There should be several red flags and he makes conclusions based on anecdotes.

 

[Emperor]

Two things:

1. Getting back to normal was based on the assumption that people would get vaccinated. Louisiana is at about 40%.
2. The Delta variant was not around or understood. It is much more aggressive as far as replicating, which reduces the ability to fight infection.


I just moved to Colorado. The Vaccination rate is working on 65%. When cases started ticking up, people started wearing masks indoors more frequently without being told to.

Colorado with 5.7 million people is averaging 1500 cases a day.

Louisiana with 4.6 million people is averaging 4650 cases a day.

Hold on there tiger!

Census 2020 (looks like where you got your numbers).

Population:
Colorado: 5,773,757
Louisiana: 4,657,757

Un-vaccinated blacks (us avg); almost 70%

Black pop. Colorado: 4.6%
Black pop. Louisiana: 32.8%

I bet if you do the math, it equates to a similar percentage / averages of cases in both states.

Your comparison is flawed. What Colorado apparently has that Louisiana doesn't, is less (un-vaccinated), blacks spreading the virus!

If we are following the numbers, that is!

BTW; Dept. of Health says (as of Aug.), Louisiana whites are vaccinated at 56%

 

[buttanic]

Isreal had 1000ish new cases and has a population of 9 million. Looks like they are doing better than us.

The second link is, well junk. There should be several red flags and he makes conclusions based on anecdotes.

Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. The HHS declaration to support such use must be based on one of four types of determinations of threats or potential threats by the Secretary of HHS, Homeland Security, or Defense.

Now there is an FDA approved drug, if you follow the letter of the law J&J and Moderna lose their EUA can no longer be used.

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepa...amework/emergency-use-authorization#abouteuas

 

[Horrible]

Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. The HHS declaration to support such use must be based on one of four types of determinations of threats or potential threats by the Secretary of HHS, Homeland Security, or Defense.

Now there is an FDA approved drug, if you follow the letter of the law J&J and Moderna lose their EUA can no longer be used.

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepa...amework/emergency-use-authorization#abouteuas

Check this out:

[FONT=&quot]Page 12 – Pfizer Inc.[/FONT]
https://i-uv.com/wp-content/uploads...-to-issue-with-BLA-approval-08.23.21_v2-4.pdf

[FONT=&quot]• [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This product has not been approved or licensed by FDA, but has been
authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an EUA to prevent Coronavirus[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 12 years of age and older; and[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]• The emergency use of this product is only authorized for the duration of the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Looks like All they did was extend the EUA and is still experimental. [/FONT]

 

[kz45]

Nothing to see here so move along, IT is fully approved by the fda the msm said so,


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[AustinBR]

The "intelligent folk" keep changing their statement to meet the changing conditions. The getting "back to normalcy" statement has changed to "keep you from getting sick and dying" statement. There will be yet another significant change in statement by year's end. And that seatbelt, bumper car, car crash analogy MUST be directed toward the less intelligent folk. They know they're dumb and you point the finger like that, that's kinda cruel.

Yeah, that's to be expected. Intelligence in this case is utilizing and accepting new data as it comes in and constantly improving from it. I'd hope there is a significant change in statements by year end. Hopefully more and more people get vaccinated and more people quit dying.

The thing I was saying is that even those who do get the jab can still catch the virus. Also many years ago my maternal grandfather died in a vehicle crash even though he was wearing his seat belt. If those two statements make me unintelligent/stupid, then I stand guilty as charged.

My point is that trying to argue against the effectiveness of the vaccine based on empirical evidence is the same as trying to argue against a seatbelt's effectiveness based on empirical evidence.

We all know someone who has done something that doesn't follow a trend of normalcy It's the old "correlation doesn't lead to causation" thing.

Who decides who the intelligent folks are in this case, You or the Biden administration. Because some of the crap coming out of their mouth don't seem too intelligent.

Time will decide who was intelligent and who was not. Right now I'd venture to guess that the folks who are alive with the vaccine sure feel a lot more intelligent than the folks who have caught COVID, requested the vaccine on their deathbed, and then died. But maybe we'll all grow a 3rd arm from our butts sometime soon and change our mind? Or maybe the microchip in our shoulders will emit too much radiation and cause us to turn green? Guess we'll see in the future.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html

But wait, there is more.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243355

The first article proves that antibodies that are built up don't last forever. That's the case with many (most?) vaccines. That's why we get a flu shot once or twice a year.

The second article isn't even worth commenting on. The author is speculating and has quite a few logical fallacies in his argument.

 

[flyboy]

"That's why we get a flu shot once or twice a year."
You may get the flu shot every year but I sure dont! Every time I took the shot, I got the flu so severe that I thought I was going to die. No more flu shots for me!

 

[KDerekT83]

"That's why we get a flu shot once or twice a year."
You may get the flu shot every year but I sure dont! Every time I took the shot, I got the flu so severe that I thought I was going to die. No more flu shots for me!

Hell I was discharged 18yrs ago. That was the last flu shot I got. Lol..

 

[Bigchillin83]

never had the flu shot in my life.....

 

[flyboy]

never had the flu shot in my life.....

Every flu shot that I got made me sicker than shirt! My doctor and I figured out real quick that I should not be taking the flu shot!

 

[charlie12]

Hold on there tiger!

Census 2020 (looks like where you got your numbers).

Population:
Colorado: 5,773,757
Louisiana: 4,657,757

Un-vaccinated blacks (us avg); almost 70%

Black pop. Colorado: 4.6%
Black pop. Louisiana: 32.8%

I bet if you do the math, it equates to a similar percentage / averages of cases in both states.

Your comparison is flawed. What Colorado apparently has that Louisiana doesn't, is less (un-vaccinated), blacks spreading the virus!

If we are following the numbers, that is!

BTW; Dept. of Health says (as of Aug.), Louisiana whites are vaccinated at 56%

Where my girlfriend works she the only one vaccinated. One black woman that works on her shift can only say she's scared. Debbie asked her what she's scared of the shot or Covid. Her answer is she's just scared and that's the best she can come up with. Debbie went today to get her first Shingle shot and asked the same woman if she was going to get the Shingle shot. Her answer was no she's scared.

 

[Gus McCrae]

Hold on there tiger!

Census 2020 (looks like where you got your numbers).

Population:
Colorado: 5,773,757
Louisiana: 4,657,757

Un-vaccinated blacks (us avg); almost 70%

Black pop. Colorado: 4.6%
Black pop. Louisiana: 32.8%

I bet if you do the math, it equates to a similar percentage / averages of cases in both states.

Your comparison is flawed. What Colorado apparently has that Louisiana doesn't, is less (un-vaccinated), blacks spreading the virus!

If we are following the numbers, that is!

BTW; Dept. of Health says (as of Aug.), Louisiana whites are vaccinated at 56%

What do the rest of the numbers look like for white folk in LA? Is it comparable to Colorado?

 

[Emperor]

What do the rest of the numbers look like for white folk in LA? Is it comparable to Colorado?

They look like this: BTW; Dept. of Health says (as of Aug.), Louisiana whites are vaccinated at 56% This is adults (those over 18).

Look, I won't deny this state is chock full of ignorant retards! The lack of overall education here is well documented. All I was pointing out, is that your assertion that Colorado was way ahead of Louisiana in cases being diagnosed is flawed when compared head to head. You have to account for the entire populous, not just the 85% whites in Colorado versus the 66% whites in Louisiana, when it is clear that blacks are not participating the in vaccine love-fest!

If it's any consolation, I finally saw a PSA begging for vaccinations that was at least trying to broach the subject of the disproportionate numbers of un-vaxed in the black population. The actors shown were predominately black. That's a start!

This country and these phony liberal America haters in politics and the media may want to dispel with the BS narrative that blacks should never be called out for wrongdoings. If it's wrong; it's wrong. Let's start treating them equally! ACROSS the board! The good, the bad, and the shitty; and let's move on!

It will better for the common good of all if we do!

 

[Horrible]

Every flu shot that I got made me sicker than shirt! My doctor and I figured out real quick that I should not be taking the flu shot!

Since the flu has all but disappeared, I suppose that you don’t have to worry about getting the flu shot anymore?

 

[noob]

Since the flu has all but disappeared, I suppose that you don’t have to worry about getting the flu shot anymore?

I personally would still get the flu shot. Not b/c I think it'll make me invincible to the flu. but b/c with all the rona going on, I don't want to get the flu and go to an urgent care for medicine when it's flooded with other sick people.