New Law on Pistol Attachments.

[RussnAttitude]

You sure are angry. Who hurt you ?

Not angry at all. Just don't have any good reasons to trust cops. Especially cops I've never met before. There's a line between respecting someone or their position/social status/career and liking/trusting someone.

Now just to clarify since apparently, everyone on this forum likes to scrutinize everything from everyone, and to put my own mind at ease for sale of being clear, and it should give you something to say for entertainment purposes.

I have the utmost respect for the position and the job they do. I get it. I really do. What I do not respect and/or like is how 99% of people with a badge want to use anything and everything against you to further their careers by either making themselves look good to their superiors, or even just lining their own pockets on the side. While I do have a buddy that did once work in "that industry" and I'd go to bat for him any day of the week, I still do not trust him 100% due to the fact of him having ties into that realm still. Nobody, including all you people on this forum, goes a single day of their life without breaking a law of some sort. That's how messed up our legal system really is. And nowadays, anyone with a badge will use anything against you if it fits their will. Oh let's not get started on a Jury. I've done jury duty as most of you probably have. That's a crock of pig poo. A conviction isn't based on fact or the truth. It's based on feelings and who can convince you as the juror to Lean their way. It is what it is. Nothing we can do about it. Therefore, while I do respect LEO and act as such around em, I do not trust em, and I do not hold my tongue unless it obviously something that can get twisted easily into something else.

 

[thperez1972]

I think you have a poor understanding of what’s being proposed if this is how you feel.

You did not read my post correctly. That's not how I feel.

 

[jessopher]

Yeah it isn't really that difficult to understand, brace=stock, stock on rifle with barrel shorter than 16"=sbr, if want sbr proceed to registration, if no want sbr make have no stock, if want unregistered sbr do nothing and hope for best luck. It is like we have to figure out how things worked before 2013 all over again, back then the preferred technique was pushing off with a single-point sling...

 

[thperez1972]

Not angry at all. Just don't have any good reasons to trust cops. Especially cops I've never met before. There's a line between respecting someone or their position/social status/career and liking/trusting someone.

So do you only respect a doctor you've never met before but don't trust them? What other professions earn your respect but not your trust? Or is it just police?

Now just to clarify since apparently, everyone on this forum likes to scrutinize everything from everyone, and to put my own mind at ease for sale of being clear, and it should give you something to say for entertainment purposes.

I have the utmost respect for the position and the job they do. I get it. I really do. What I do not respect and/or like is how 99% of people with a badge want to use anything and everything against you to further their careers by either making themselves look good to their superiors, or even just lining their own pockets on the side.

Really? 99% of them? That's a very broad generalization. Do you feel like that with any other professions? Or is it just police?

While I do have a buddy that did once work in "that industry" and I'd go to bat for him any day of the week, I still do not trust him 100% due to the fact of him having ties into that realm still.

So the very fact that your buddy is a cop means you will not trust him 100%.

Nobody, including all you people on this forum, goes a single day of their life without breaking a law of some sort. That's how messed up our legal system really is. And nowadays, anyone with a badge will use anything against you if it fits their will. Oh let's not get started on a Jury. I've done jury duty as most of you probably have. That's a crock of pig poo. A conviction isn't based on fact or the truth. It's based on feelings and who can convince you as the juror to Lean their way. It is what it is. Nothing we can do about it. Therefore, while I do respect LEO and act as such around em, I do not trust em, and I do not hold my tongue unless it obviously something that can get twisted easily into something else.

I get it, I've met a few that were just jerks. But I find that in every profession. It's fine that you obviously don't like cops. Just be honest about it. You cannot respect someone based on their profession while at the same time distrust them based on their profession.

 

[thperez1972]

Yeah it isn't really that difficult to understand, brace=stock, stock on rifle with barrel shorter than 16"=sbr, if want sbr proceed to registration, if no want sbr make have no stock, if want unregistered sbr do nothing and hope for best luck. It is like we have to figure out how things worked before 2013 all over again, back then the preferred technique was pushing off with a single-point sling...

Yes, that was the preferred technique back then. But now, it should be difficult to understand. According to the ATF, brace ≠ stock. Stock on rifle with barrel less than 16* = sbr. But brace on pistol with barrel less than 16* ≠ sbr. Up until the last month, were those statements true?

 

[MOTOR51]

So do you only respect a doctor you've never met before but don't trust them? What other professions earn your respect but not your trust? Or is it just police?



Really? 99% of them? That's a very broad generalization. Do you feel like that with any other professions? Or is it just police?



So the very fact that your buddy is a cop means you will not trust him 100%.



I get it, I've met a few that were just jerks. But I find that in every profession. It's fine that you obviously don't like cops. Just be honest about it. You cannot respect someone based on their profession while at the same time distrust them based on their profession.

He says most cops are on the take and will screw you over but tries to soften the insane rhetoric by prefacing it with “ I got a friend that’s a cop”. It seems every person who doesn’t like police always preface it with they have friends are families that are cops. We laugh at them because they lack the testicular fortitude to just come out and say it. We can all respect a position as long as you own up to it.


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[MOTOR51]

I guess you did trust at least one Trooper. You can’t make this stuff up

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[AdvancedLaser]

@RussnAttitude

So when was your first felony conviction ? Did you hate the cops before that or just after ?

 

[Magdump]

…..so, back to the thread…
I agree with Perez (and that’s a good point too) when he says the ATF/BATF/AFT has devised a good plan.
Many,if not the majority, have already decided they’ll gladly register, when what they’ve actually done prior to is a work around to keep from registering.
Please take a moment and digest that last statement.
Rather than give up, destroy or bury a $99 item or two, they’ve already decided since they don’t have to pay the $200 tax Evasion (apologies Jstudz) stamp, might as well register those puppies. But why did they buy the daybed things in the first place? To keep from having to go through the trouble and MOSTLY the invasive nature of it. It’s not the $200 and you can’t convince me it is. We’ve all spent more than that on ammo or any other handful of parts and accessories many times over. People buying braces do it as a workaround to a SBR, but now they’ll suddenly shrug and say, well it’s free so… Rrrrrreal good plan. They know people just can’t resist the free $hit.
I’ve read a great deal of the history of Nazi Germany and the Third Reich, how Hitler came into power and how he stayed several steps ahead of certain parties and groups of people, etc, etc. I can see how the Jews fell for it all. One of the smartest things that Hitler did was enact a national gun registration and a special census to have a clear list of what he was after prior to rounding it all up and disposing of it. Both guns and people. He did this under the guise of maintaining a safe and orderly Germany. I don’t think the Jews had any more reason or incentive to trust that Nazi government any more than we the people have to trust the demons running this country (into the ground), but they took a chance and complied anyway. I bet you’d be hard pressed to find one who’d do that again.
So my question is, why would anyone fall for any of this? In this day and age. I guess people just forget.

 

[Forgotten]

Ok just so I understand correctly. Is it still ok to have the gun as a pistol if you take the brace 100% off the weapon? Or do you have to register it even with the brace off because it was a pistol and now considered a rifle or NFA sbr?



I mean everyday I hear something different..

 

[MOTOR51]

Ok just so I understand correctly. Is it still ok to have the gun as a pistol if you take the brace 100% off the weapon? Or do you have to register it even with the brace off because it was a pistol and now considered a rifle or NFA sbr?



I mean everyday I hear something different..

According to the 293 page document the ATF put out, you are ok as long as you either remove it, register it as an sbr, destroy firearm or turn it in. Easiest to just remove the brace lol


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[machinedrummer]

Maybe…just maybe this is the time to all come together and stand together and no longer cave and have to pay for exercising a fundamental right our nation was built upon. The abuse and theft of our rights will not end if and when this “rule” is implemented. If the 2A falls….history has shown what WILL HAPPEN. Just a thought.

 

[thperez1972]

According to the 293 page document the ATF put out, you are ok as long as you either remove it, register it as an sbr, destroy firearm or turn it in. Easiest to just remove the brace lol


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From the ATF (Protecting the Public, Serving our Nation):

#2 is interesting. It may have been pointed out here but taking the brace off makes it an accessory. According to the ATF, they don't regulate accessories. But to comply, they are mandating you not have a specific accessory.

I think I have a good business idea. I'm going to rent a storage unit and fill it with shelves. I'll charge a couple of $'s to store braces for people. There will be no firearms in the unit so it will be a unit full of accessories and, thus, unregulated by the ATF.

 

[thperez1972]

…..so, back to the thread…
I agree with Perez (and that’s a good point too) when he says the ATF/BATF/AFT has devised a good plan.
Many,if not the majority, have already decided they’ll gladly register, when what they’ve actually done prior to is a work around to keep from registering.
Please take a moment and digest that last statement.
Rather than give up, destroy or bury a $99 item or two, they’ve already decided since they don’t have to pay the $200 tax Evasion (apologies Jstudz) stamp, might as well register those puppies. But why did they buy the daybed things in the first place? To keep from having to go through the trouble and MOSTLY the invasive nature of it. It’s not the $200 and you can’t convince me it is. We’ve all spent more than that on ammo or any other handful of parts and accessories many times over. People buying braces do it as a workaround to a SBR, but now they’ll suddenly shrug and say, well it’s free so… Rrrrrreal good plan. They know people just can’t resist the free $hit.
I’ve read a great deal of the history of Nazi Germany and the Third Reich, how Hitler came into power and how he stayed several steps ahead of certain parties and groups of people, etc, etc. I can see how the Jews fell for it all. One of the smartest things that Hitler did was enact a national gun registration and a special census to have a clear list of what he was after prior to rounding it all up and disposing of it. Both guns and people. He did this under the guise of maintaining a safe and orderly Germany. I don’t think the Jews had any more reason or incentive to trust that Nazi government any more than we the people have to trust the demons running this country (into the ground), but they took a chance and complied anyway. I bet you’d be hard pressed to find one who’d do that again.
So my question is, why would anyone fall for any of this? In this day and age. I guess people just forget.

Exactly. From their perspective, you will either tell them about what you have or you'll destroy the item that they don't want you to have. And later on, if the rule is overturned, they will have a list of more weapons and some of the braces will have been thrown away.

 

[Magdump]

…..so, back to the thread…
I agree with Perez (and that’s a good point too) when he says the ATF/BATF/AFT has devised a good plan.
Many,if not the majority, have already decided they’ll gladly register, when what they’ve actually done prior to is a work around to keep from registering.
Please take a moment and digest that last statement.
Rather than give up, destroy or bury a $99 item or two, they’ve already decided since they don’t have to pay the $200 tax Evasion (apologies Jstudz) stamp, might as well register those puppies. But why did they buy the daybed things in the first place? To keep from having to go through the trouble and MOSTLY the invasive nature of it. It’s not the $200 and you can’t convince me it is. We’ve all spent more than that on ammo or any other handful of parts and accessories many times over. People buying braces do it as a workaround to a SBR, but now they’ll suddenly shrug and say, well it’s free so… Rrrrrreal good plan. They know people just can’t resist the free $hit.
I’ve read a great deal of the history of Nazi Germany and the Third Reich, how Hitler came into power and how he stayed several steps ahead of certain parties and groups of people, etc, etc. I can see how the Jews fell for it all. One of the smartest things that Hitler did was enact a national gun registration and a special census to have a clear list of what he was after prior to rounding it all up and disposing of it. Both guns and people. He did this under the guise of maintaining a safe and orderly Germany. I don’t think the Jews had any more reason or incentive to trust that Nazi government any more than we the people have to trust the demons running this country (into the ground), but they took a chance and complied anyway. I bet you’d be hard pressed to find one who’d do that again.
So my question is, why would anyone fall for any of this? In this day and age. I guess people just forget.

Ok just so I understand correctly. Is it still ok to have the gun as a pistol if you take the brace 100% off the weapon? Or do you have to register it even with the brace off because it was a pistol and now considered a rifle or NFA sbr?



I mean everyday I hear something different..

apparently it depends on the gun.

Just gonna leave this right here…

 

[Magdump]

According to the 293 page document the ATF put out, you are ok as long as you either remove it, register it as an sbr, destroy firearm or turn it in. Easiest to just remove the brace lol


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Not necessarily.

This just keeps getting better…

 

[Magdump]

I think the ATF has taken too big a bite this time and they’re gonna choke on this $hit sammich. Might not be tomorrow or even next month, but they’re giving Congress and the Supreme Court all the ammo they need to slap them back into reality. I believe that it’s going to have to happen. No faction of government ever sits idly by while another makes such a gross power grab and steps on toes. These regulatory agencies are really going for broke lately. I think these times will be known as the age of rogue regulation. Somebody definitely needs to answer.

 

[Paintball]

 

[Bigchillin83]

i agree i think they are gonna fall in the rabbit whole they are tryin to dig....not to mention imports, you cant go 10+ years and 30 million pistols sold and come around in 2023 and say you are now a felon if you own them after you approved us having them lol.... that dog dont hunt, it will take time, but i think sombody will be reminded who they work for, and might if anything boost this coming up election..

 

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