Post From Vermillion Parish S. O.

[thperez1972]

Does it matter?

Yes

The police shouldn't have to hide... This is the ONLY country, and I've been to several, where Law Enforcement actually hides from the public vs making their presence blatantly obvious.

 

[GunRelated]

The easy counter to this would be why do you have to know the police are around in order to do right?

This sounds a lot like, why does it matter if this law is unconstitutional if I have nothing to hide.

 

[thperez1972]

This sounds a lot like, why does it matter if this law is unconstitutional if I have nothing to hide.

No, it doesn't. It sounds a lot like why do you need to know the police are around to act right?

 

[GunRelated]

No, it doesn't. It sounds a lot like why do you need to know the police are around to act right?

Same could be asked to police about body / dash cameras. Goes both ways. The fact of the matter is this, this country was founded on a set of principles that did not include use the government against the people and especially not using the government by means of hiding in order to catch non violent offenders. This creates a poor relationship between police and the citizens they are supposed to protect and serve.

 

[RussnAttitude]

Like it or hate it, reading through all this keeps putting these thoughts in my brain...

A LEO realizes you are armed by your own admission.. majority of the time, He/she wants to dis-arm you, "for your safety and mine".. I've always found this line to be bullsh*t. It's just for his/her safety and an abuse of the badge imo. At the end of the day, that LEO is a civilian citizen with a job. Nothing more, nothing less. Therefore, I dont trust that individual no more than they trust me. Just because you have a job that allows you to play with cooler toys, I'm suppose to respect you or look at you in a different way?! Ummm no...

 

[thperez1972]

Same could be asked to police about body / dash cameras. Goes both ways. The fact of the matter is this, this country was founded on a set of principles that did not include use the government against the people and especially not using the government by means of hiding in order to catch non violent offenders. This creates a poor relationship between police and the citizens they are supposed to protect and serve.

Body cams are a funny thing. Groups like the ACLU pushed and pushed for them to show the cops' real behavior. The videos would be public information and the truth about the cops would be seen by everyone. Then body cams started to become more and more prolific. What the videos showed, however, was how the cops were really being treated by the public. The widespread bad behavior that was supposed to be caught on video was caught. But the cops weren't the culprit. Then, as video of the public's behavior started showing up, groups started complaining about the privacy of the citizens.

So, why do you need to know the police are around to act right?

 

[GunRelated]

Body cams are a funny thing. Groups like the ACLU pushed and pushed for them to show the cops' real behavior. The videos would be public information and the truth about the cops would be seen by everyone. Then body cams started to become more and more prolific. What the videos showed, however, was how the cops were really being treated by the public. The widespread bad behavior that was supposed to be caught on video was caught. But the cops weren't the culprit. Then, as video of the public's behavior started showing up, groups started complaining about the privacy of the citizens.

So, why do you need to know the police are around to act right?

Lol, no. That is only a half truth which ignores the other half of the story. There have been plenty of wrong doings caught by the footage as well and much more that has not been caught or deliberately tampered in different ways to avoid detection. It most certainly goes both ways.

 

[GunRelated]

Half of LP's unit's dash cams conveniently "don't work".

 

[thperez1972]

Lol, no. That is only a half truth which ignores the other half of the story. There have been plenty of wrong doings caught by the footage as well and much more that has not been caught or deliberately tampered in different ways to avoid detection. It most certainly goes both ways.

Of course it goes both ways. There are bad elements in any subgroup of people. But having a bad element in a group doesn't mean those traits are in every member of that group. There are doctors who overprescribe opiates. But it would be unreasonable to suggest that all doctors overprescribe opiates.

So is there any reason you won't explain why you have to know the police are around to do right?

 

[GunRelated]

Of course it goes both ways. There are bad elements in any subgroup of people. But having a bad element in a group doesn't mean those traits are in every member of that group. There are doctors who overprescribe opiates. But it would be unreasonable to suggest that all doctors overprescribe opiates.

So is there any reason you won't explain why you have to know the police are around to do right?

Silly me, I was answering your question under the impression that you were making a generalization by saying "you".

This makes it much easier.

I don't have to know they are there at all because I don't do anything differently regardless. I follow the flow of traffic, I obey all street signs, lights, and lanes.

It's not the fear of being caught doing wrong that steers my judgement on right or wrong. I know what's right and I know what's wrong, and I can say with 100% confidence that it is not right for police to hide or use unmarked vehicles to make traffic stops.

 

[Sainte70]

As said in Sentence #1 of my previous post .. How about your unit. We both know damn well the tint on that thing is dark is fu**.... going by your previous posts, and the fact that a retired LEO has already called you out as, "that guy", you are the reason I purposely act as a dickhead when you're obviously looking for reasons to write tickets because it, what did you say? Puts icing on your cake.... YOU are the reason I'll respect the position, not the person.

I am talking about BOTH my UNIT AND my POV....ffs you do not even know me and here you are stating as fact **** you have no idea about. Get a ******* life idiot. You may want to go re-read my posts....I do NOT "go looking for reasons" to write tickets. I HATE writing tickets.

 

[WhereIsIt?]

Popped up on book of faces.. Thought it was fitting for this post.

 

[RussnAttitude]

I am talking about BOTH my UNIT AND my POV....ffs you do not even know me and here you are stating as fact **** you have no idea about. Get a ******* life idiot. You may want to go re-read my posts....I do NOT "go looking for reasons" to write tickets. I HATE writing tickets.

Resorting to name calling. Yes, that's a good look for a cop. Either way, if your unit doesn't have window tint either, them ok cool. I digress. I find it hard to believe, but ok.

 

[Sainte70]

Resorting to name calling. Yes, that's a good look for a cop. Either way, if your unit doesn't have window tint either, them ok cool. I digress. I find it hard to believe, but ok.

Not so much “name calling” as it is more like trying to explain simple things to a child

 

[thperez1972]

Silly me, I was answering your question under the impression that you were making a generalization by saying "you".

This makes it much easier.

I don't have to know they are there at all because I don't do anything differently regardless. I follow the flow of traffic, I obey all street signs, lights, and lanes.

It's not the fear of being caught doing wrong that steers my judgement on right or wrong. I know what's right and I know what's wrong, and I can say with 100% confidence that it is not right for police to hide or use unmarked vehicles to make traffic stops.

You keep saying you believe it's wrong for the police to hide or use unmarked vehicles for traffic stops. I don't recall seeing any reason why you believe it's wrong. If you've posted it before, you're welcome to tell me the post number. I'm not looking to go back and read through all of the messages again.

 

[GunRelated]

You keep saying you believe it's wrong for the police to hide or use unmarked vehicles for traffic stops. I don't recall seeing any reason why you believe it's wrong. If you've posted it before, you're welcome to tell me the post number. I'm not looking to go back and read through all of the messages again.

Post #64

"The fact of the matter is this, this country was founded on a set of principles that did not include use the government against the people and especially not using the government by means of hiding in order to catch non violent offenders."

I also stated that it creates a poor relationship and diminishes trust between the police and the citizens they are supposed toprotect and serve.

 

[Sainte70]

Post #64

"The fact of the matter is this, this country was founded on a set of principles that did not include use the government against the people and especially not using the government by means of hiding in order to catch non violent offenders."

I also stated that it creates a poor relationship and diminishes trust between the police and the citizens they are supposed toprotect and serve.

So in your line of reasoning, using unmarked vehicles for drug interdiction vehicle stops or potential high violence stops is wrong….you sure you’re retired LEO? (If I am getting the wrong person, I apologize in advance)

 

[GunRelated]

So in your line of reasoning, using unmarked vehicles for drug interdiction vehicle stops or potential high violence stops is wrong….you sure you’re retired LEO? (If I am getting the wrong person, I apologize in advance)

Definitely got the wrong person. I'm too honest to be a police officer.

 

[GunRelated]

So in your line of reasoning, using unmarked vehicles for drug interdiction vehicle stops or potential high violence stops is wrong….you sure you’re retired LEO? (If I am getting the wrong person, I apologize in advance)

Just wanted to touch on this, even though it was not intentionally direct at me.

First off, the previous post was not an attack. If it was taken as such, you should lighten up and read my future posts in an inner voice that makes you more comfortable with yourself. Cudos to Saint for not attacking me without merit.

Back to the quoted post.

Using any vehicle or tactic to make drug interdiction stops is against what I believe. The war on drugs is one of, if not the biggest scams used against the population in our history. Any enforcement that is used to enact this scam is unethical.

As to the second part, dealing with "potential high violence" stops, this is not black and white, as is written. So, it depends. If the suspect is confirmed to be a wanted violent offender, any necessary tactics to apprehend this suspect is viable. If the suspect is being profiled solely under suspicion, this person should be treated like any other innocent person, as they are innocent until proven guilty after all. That said, using an unmarked vehicle to obtain more detailed information on the suspect, would be ok. Using an unmarked vehicle to make a traffic stop to obtain this information is not ok.

These are just my opinions, obviously.

 

[RussnAttitude]

I'm seeing myself and GunRelated share alot of views. He's just way more of a people person or articulate about it. Lol...