charliepapa
Clandestine Sciuridae
yep. did these things happen (as) regularly when LEO's carried .357 mag?
Using FMJ for self defence
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yep. did these things happen (as) regularly when LEO's carried .357 mag?
Different.
When people know they only have 6 shots, they tend to make them count a lot more than when they have 17+1. You can't get over marksmanship being THE determining factor with a handgun.
I wonder if the non-expanded one's hit bone very shallow (forearm, sternum, etc) and caved in on themselves to varying degrees?
I reviewed OIS data comparing the Revolver to the Semi-Auto. It can be found here.
http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf
Look at the "Revolver vs. Pistol" data for Metro-Dade.
You will note that officers firing revolvers had a 35% success rate in hitting their suspect, while the officers using the semi-auto had a 25% success rate.
We can argue/debate whether it is the shootability of the revolver vs. pistol, the psychological imperative to make the lesser number of rounds count more, or any number of other things, the fact remains that officers equipped with the revolver hit their suspect more often, round per round.
While I cannot back this up, it is only logical to presume that of the rounds that DID hit, the platform that had a higher chance of hitting also resulted in more accurate hits.
This goes to support what I originally postulated, that the 357 magnum may well have a more successful career in LE hands than the 9mm and others due to the fact that it was put where it was intended more precisely, more often. Not necessarily because it was some magical man-stopper and the 9mm is puny, etc.
That's exactly what I thought would happen with the Gold Dot's.
I went from Limited Division in USPSA to a 6 shot revolver in USPSA about four years ago. I can't speak for cops. But I can tell you that I'm far less likely to throw bullets away than I was before. Mentally knowing there are only six and not a bunch does change things in competition at least fundamentally.
Dave
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jimdana1942
oldtimer
LongGoneDays
Mine. Not yours.
I tried ballistics testing my 9mm, couldn't find any of that stuff they use on Mythbusters so I got strawberry-banana from Wal Mart. I guess 9mm is pretty powerful because I was cleaning red stuff out of odd places in my kitchen for like 6 months.
Then there was NUN
1 shot stopper.
Hummmmm...Dat's the calibur she chose:}
You may have something there...
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Hummmmm...Dat's the calibur she chose:}
You may have something there...
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Looks like S&W 500
That info about revolvers vs. semi-autos in the hand of Police is suspect. I would bet that it had as much to do with recruits being held to higher standards as anything else. Standards for marksmanship today are a joke.
thanks for the info! This does at least validate my use of the 357sig.
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Despite general opinion on stacked mags, I stack 3 different loads. If I am in a SHTF situation, I am relatively comfortable one of my options will be able to penetrate laminate glass, metal, or critical mass on a target. I don't really care if 2 of the rounds aren't the "best" for the situation, they will be generally on target and on target is the BEST kind of ammunition for any situation. I can use wadcutter rounds- if I put enough of them into a small enough area, even glass or a car door won't keep them out.
Now, before ya'll jump my sh!t, I haven't tried any of this while taking rounds to myself or armor, so until then whatever I say is probably just internet bravado.
Now, before ya'll jump my sh!t, I haven't tried any of this while taking rounds to myself or armor, so until then whatever I say is probably just internet bravado.
why not? It's within about 25fps of a 125gr 357mag from a 4" revolver, no?
sarcasm? I'm just not getting why people say they differ much. All the 4" barreled revolvers I have seen chronographed with 125gr run about 1400 or so. My 357sig ran 1355 at 15'. I'm not sure how they significantly differ until you get into 6" barrel lengths or heavier bullets, where the magnum definitely pulls ahead. I'm plenty open to an education though. Tell me what I am missing.
With the right load you can get 1800 fps with 125 grain JHP from a four inch 357 magnum. This is with both Herc 2400 and Win 296 powders. How fast does the 357 sig push a 158 grain bullet or even a 180 grain bullet? Oh yeah you can't load above a 147 grain bullet in 357 sig. You sound like a guy defending FiveseveN against common sense. 
Dave
Dave
With the right load you can get 1800 fps with 125 grain JHP from a four inch 357 magnum. This is with both Herc 2400 and Win 296 powders. How fast does the 357 sig push a 158 grain bullet or even a 180 grain bullet? Oh yeah you can't load above a 147 grain bullet in 357 sig. You sound like a guy defending FiveseveN against common sense.
Dave
You're right, the magnum can be handloaded way beyond the Sig. However, I thought the federal and remington 125gr jhp at about 1400 was what the 357 built its reputation on in police legend.
