What are your religious beliefs?

[JWG223]

Since the religious debate has been opened up I've got a question, Why is church on Sunday? It was changed at some point but can't seem to track down a who, when, and why.

It was changed during the rule of Constantine. The reason it was changed was to help facilitate the transition between pagan sun-worship and the newly budding Christian religion. This is also why we see the halo in so many early christian artworks. It is directly associated with worship of the sun (not the Son). Christians today, by and large, would be stunned at how close their worship traditions and beliefs are related to paganism. Many other things have been "borrowed" from paganism by the Catholic and other churches that arose.

It was usually on Saturday for the Jews, but it was changed to Sunday because that is the day the resurrection happened.

Biblical text please...

I have sat through hundreds of hours of theology classes throughout school, and attended 2 decades of church services, and even told the last Baptist pastor who wanted to make an issue of it with me back when I was practicing, that he could have a nice, crisp $100 bill if he could find me a contextually accurate passage in the Bible nullifying Saturday worship and replacing it with Sunday worship. He did not get my money. No-one has ever read me that text, in context.

 

[Takuan]

Over the summer, I read "Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years," by Diarmaid MacCulloch... a very good, comprehensive, not-too-scholarly cultural history... highly recommended. (Though I wish I'd had the actual book, instead of an iBook... reading an iPad is a bit fatiguing.)

 

[Hitman]

It was changed during the rule of Constantine. The reason it was changed was to help facilitate the transition between pagan sun-worship and the newly budding Christian religion. This is also why we see the halo in so many early christian artworks. It is directly associated with worship of the sun (not the Son). Christians today, by and large, would be stunned at how close their worship traditions and beliefs are related to paganism. Many other things have been "borrowed" from paganism by the Catholic and other churches that arose.

Biblical text please...
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That's one opinion but not really in-line with biblical teaching.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Saturday-Sunday.html

There is no one verse that says Sat./Sun.; not that it really matters what day anyway.

 

[thatwhichisnt]

JWG: it was just tradition, not anything related to Biblical text. People started to worshiping on the day Jesus rose.

 

[Emperor]

(Though I wish I'd had the actual book, instead of an iBook... reading an iPad is a bit fatiguing.)

Thank the maker of your choosing you don't have to experience reading with a braille pad.

 

[Takuan]

Thank the maker of your choosing you don't have to experience reading with a braille pad.

The Maker? Shai-Hulud? Anyway, it seems any thanks may be too late...

 

[Takuan]

I don't know whether anyone watched last night's debate, but Romney and Perry going at each other trumped any vitriolic back and forth in this thread.

 

[I_FLY_LOW]

 

[TomTerrific]

Have we come to an agreement on what a religion is?

 

[Hitman]

Have we come to an agreement on what a religion is?

Nope and that could be a whole other topic.

In this day and age with the way we as a people are Religion has taken on a new meaning I feel.

I subscribe to this definition;
- a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects

 

[Takuan]

Have we come to an agreement on what a religion is?

I don't think anyone's even agreed on what "is" is.

 

[Hitman]

I don't think anyone's even agreed on what "is" is.

Internet Security?

 

[Leonidas]

Only the Bill knows what evil lurks in the boxers of men.

 

[762NATO]

I do not see why this is such an issue for some. If you do not want to post or do not like it, go elsewhere. No member is required to post. No member is required to read this either. What is the big deal?
Believe what you will, but there is but One, and that's Christ and Him Crucified.

 

[Ironman26]

What I want to know is why people of no faith ALWAY have to say something about those of us with faith. If you don't believe in God then why would you spend SO MUCH TIME trying to convince us he doesn't exist?

Look at it this way. If God doesn't exist, religion is making a bunch of nice people for a world that you get to live in. If God does exist, you're getting your asses kicked when you die. Either way, Why the hell would you care if we believe and why would you put so much time into telling us we don't know what we're talking about.

Actually, Christians know that answer.

Carry on -

I've been reading all of the responses to this post.....This response and question sums it up pretty damn good!!!!!

 

[762NATO]

+1 and the same to Rebel's comment indeed.

 

[sandman7925]

What I want to know is why people of no faith ALWAY have to say something about those of us with faith. If you don't believe in God then why would you spend SO MUCH TIME trying to convince us he doesn't exist?

Look at it this way. If God doesn't exist, religion is making a bunch of nice people for a world that you get to live in. If God does exist, you're getting your asses kicked when you die. Either way, Why the hell would you care if we believe and why would you put so much time into telling us we don't know what we're talking about.

Actually, Christians know that answer.

Carry on -

I agree. I don't believe but I do not try to convince others. If someone wants to worship a rock I don't care.

 

[Leonidas]

I agree. I don't believe but I do not try to convince others. If someone wants to worship a rock I don't care.

I am fascinated by your response. You likely do not know that Jesus once said that if people did not worship and praise Him, the rocks would. There's some kind of karma in there for you, friend.

 

[Hitman]

I am fascinated by your response. You likely do not know that Jesus once said that if people did not worship and praise Him, the rocks would. There's some kind of karma in there for you, friend.

Luke 19:37-40

37As he was drawing near—already on the way down the Mount of Olives— the whole multitude of his disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen, 38saying, "Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!" 39 And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples." 40He answered, "I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out."

Leo if you’re fascinated with that what do you think of Romans 1:18-32 ?

 

[sandman7925]

I am fascinated by your response. You likely do not know that Jesus once said that if people did not worship and praise Him, the rocks would. There's some kind of karma in there for you, friend.

I hope it's good karma. Wait, do I believe in karma....oh yeah, that's a whole other thread