Does anyone know how SSI works?

[TomTerrific]

I started putting money in SS in 1957. I started drawing it in 2003.

Fair enough?

 

[Nomad.2nd]

I understand that, and I agree. However, that's his talent. That's his gift. However, I have a Masters in Health and Wellness Promotion. Ever since I could read, I was was obsessed with the human body and the effects of medicine. So what should I do? "TEACH!" Most people say. Yeah, any time I applied for a position fitting my qualifications, I show up with an interpreter, then they would later tell me the position has been filled. I just got so frustrated and sick and tired of it. I've adapted to life to what I CAN afford and now I am debt free and happy.

I just took my life into my own hands, is all. I truely am happy with the way life has turned out in the last six months. Sometimes I actually wonder if this was God's will.

I'm sorry you cannot teach.

However I have a friend who is 5'2" who would love to play in the NBA... he realizes he can't and does other work.

Buddy of mines sister (went to high school with them both) is
Deaf. She went to school and does something she CAN do...

I DO get a disability pension from the military ($1,504) I COULD put in for more bennies and collect $4k- $4,500...
I won't because I CAN do something (why I'm back in school)
Its good that your vol. With kids, but please let me encourage you to find something you CAN do.

 

[dwr461]

I started putting money in SS in 1957. I started drawing it in 2003.

You paid an additional tax that paid for people already in the system. There was no lock box. No account with your name. You money was squandered by elected officials. Sorry.

The money you will receive will be paid by current tax payers. Two or three I think last I heard.

Dave

 

[03protege]

You paid an additional tax that paid for people already in the system. There was no lock box. No account with your name. You money was squandered by elected officials. Sorry.

The money you will receive will be paid by current tax payers. Two or three I think last I heard.

Dave

Ponzi scheme ring a bell?

 

[dwr461]

Ponzi scheme ring a bell?

Yes but the attitude is, "Since I got taken advantage of by the government it's OK for them to do it to you too."

Anyway, those that were promised it should receive it. However something has to be done as Thatcher said, "The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money to spend."

Dave

 

[jetmech1983]

Ponzi scheme ring a bell?

Very true for most of us. I never expect to see a a dime of my own damn money, and I can't opt out. I'd happily take the money and invest, save it for myself than pay for other peoples ****.

 

[762NATO]

I'll tell you how SSI works. I pay into it . The government gives my money to people that put nothing into it. When it's time for me to draw it they government won't give me a dime. I personally think the money would be better spent training people to jobs that can be adapted to their impairment. It is way too easy to get on SSI in my opinion.

I'm not so sure about that, but I agree. Reform would be a long-overdue thing......
However, have you ever been told by the premier experts in the room at that time, "Ma'am, we do not believe he will ever walk, even if he has a walker." Have you had to get three surgeries and learn to walk five times in your life or watch others like you suffer because their parents did not care, or could not afford it? I do agree that many lowlifes need to be expelled from the system. Heck, that's why you have to apply three times and hope not to get kicked out like they have done all my life. Have you had to fight SSI because they have tried to kick you out all your tenure in the system, all while the medical bills mount? Try driving out to the sticks to see the SSI doc cry because he was the man meant to disqualify me, and say, "I'm so sorry. He obviously needs this." Try being the parent of someone on disability, and having to pay thousands in medical bills. The money and benefits help. A lot.

I'll leave it be and let dear ol' mom have the check until I move; we both need it. Trust me, I want to work; work is something I love, even if that means a hour-long bus ride and then a full night of work and studying at the crack of dawn, because we can't afford a car or the insurance for another one.

Job training? CE, do you realize how difficult that is to do? Are you willing to find me and all my buddies a job, cater to our idividual needs as sufferers of various disabilities, and train each one of us for it? Oh, by the way, not all of us that have CP even the same type of cerebral palsy. Oh, and the autistics may range from severe/profound to literal geniuses that have no social skills. Some can snap you in half. Easy. Others can recite whatever is to be desired about their topic of interest; they sound like collegiate veterans. Good luck. You'll need it.

Please note I don't mean to offend. I merely wish to show you it ain't as easy as putting the lime in the coconut and drink it all down.

 

[762NATO]

My question is are you self reliant enough? Do you pay for all of your own food, clothes, and other bills?
I was in the same situation along time ago and asked my mother for "my SSI check". After all it was in my name.
She said sure, and then I could pay for everything for me on my own. After thinking about it, and adding up the figures, I never asked again.
That money is to help care for you, if you get it I'm sure you will still expect her to provide a rood over your head and meals while you go and spend
your extra money.
But I don't know you I'm sure you would be completely unreliant after you started getting that money.

Good point. I help pay the rent, but she often will not let me pay anything else; she'll just take it and ask me when she gets home. In response to Leadfoot, thank man. I appreciate the encouragement, and I actually am working to find work so I can do exactly that, but until I graduate ULL in another four years, I'm stuck in the system. Trust me, I eventually want out of SSI, but have to make it work. I make just about what Dave does. Life is not easy.

 

[kcinnick]

Someone who was born with a disability and had it all their lives should know that they're going to have problems in the work place and make allowances for it while growing up. i.e. If you were born with a condition that keeps you in a wheelchair you should have said, "Hey I got to make in the world and get job. What's out there that I can do?"

As the system is we're enabling people to say, "I'm disabled. I can get stuff. I don't have to work."

If we want to give people charity than lets put that back into the hands of charities and their own family. As it is others have decided that I have to give alms to whomever "they" deem worthy. Leave me my money. I'll decide whom to help. I may even be able to help disabled people in my own family rather than let the government decide who I help and how much help I give.

Now please don't read this and say that we should put the handicap under a bus. I'm saying that we as Americans are a good enough people to take care of our own without the government handling it. Will people fall through the cracks in that system? Yes. But people fall through the cracks now. A large amount (the majority) of our money that should be going to help with SSI goes to help bureaucrats.

Dave

Ssshhhhhhh....

Some folks around here want smaller goverment until you start wanting to "take from the needy."

 

[Russo]

Ssshhhhhhh....

Some folks around here want smaller goverment until you start wanting to "take from the needy."

right, people in America want everybody else to sacrafice except them and their families... then we let people in charge make emotional decisions to give somebody assistance instead of going to local charities, churches, benefits for help...

there is a family here in Raceland.. who have been trained that if they get married, their SSI and Food Stamps get cut.. so the mom and dad stay shacked up and twice a year they have to bring all five children to a government counselor for evaluation.. they taught the kids to act retarded, mumble, keep their head down, ignore the people, so they can continue to get the checks... when the government counselor makes a trip to the house to make sure the children are being taken care of properly, they give the family a day's notice so the daddy can pack his stuff and go hang out at his buddies house for the night...

i dont care what your disability is, or how much money it would cost YOU for YOUR problem(s).. if the government would cut all entitlements, give the people back the money and let them choose to give to the local people of their community through a nonprofit, the integrity of the American public would rise..

 

[swagge1]

I don't see how people can just sit around all day and not do **** but watch TV and get high. I get a decent amount of vacation with my employer and I often take a week or more off at a time. Usually by the end of this "vacation" im climbing the walls trying to get back to work so I can do something productive. I'm 3o now and I often wonder what I'll do when I retire. Hopefully I'll have plenty of meaningful stuff to do when I do retire. I feel truly sorry for those who want to work and be productive, but whose disibilities make it too difficult for them to do a job they are good at.

 

[MALIBU12]

I don't see how people can just sit around all day and not do **** but watch TV and get high.

I Know a woman that has done this for the last 14 years on a crazy check ,and now her son gets a one also .

 

[Yrdawg]

I started putting money in SS in 1957. I started drawing it in 2003.

Fair enough?

started paying in 1955 started collecting this year out of fear that it would collapse with me never seeing a penny

I really hope this discussion ain't about Social Security but about SSI for disability

I know nut check people too...and drunks and lard ases that collect, that **** ain't right

Ms Dawg is on for medical ( vision and immobility ) she's always been a worker but SSI was a life saver for us when she couldn't. But either one and both uf us would put the socialist on the street and come what may

Like CE says, the abuse is rampant, I thought I undrstood till I spent a year in Eastern Kentucky, dam...nut check capitol, that and KFC are the local commodities.

No work in appalachia and we in S La are paying them to grow weed and run bootleg outta Tenn. What a system they have devoloped, did I mention they do pretty good running appalachia weed to Fla and trading for coke to sell in Cincinatti ?? On our dollar, most on nut checks.

I know this how ???

 

[W1nds0rF0x]

Kind of a shitty response.

There ARE people out there who genuinely NEED the help they receive in the form of SSI/SSD.

There are a lot more who exploit the system and have no real disability other than the fact that they've been coddled all of their lives.

Don't lump the two in the same boat, which is clearly what your comment did. I actually just lost a little respect for you.

Then ypu are *really* going to dislike mine. Nothign personal against the OP, but as someone who paid a LOT into SS and will never see any (or at best very, very little) I don't think anyone who has not paid into it should get any payments. Do I think there should be a system to take the place of SSI? Probably so, but it should not be coming from the SS system, that's not what it was meant for.

 

[CEHollier]

As a physical therapist I am one of the links in the chain patients pass through for SSI disability. The social security administration requests my evaluations, treatment notes, plan of care, etc. and they are considered legal documents. They also send a report I must fill out requesting all objective findings. I deal with physical impairments, pain, and to some degree assist getting the patient to the proper mental health professional should they need it. As a physical therapist part of my job is to assist people to adapt their limitations to their environment. I've had patients who can do a different type of work refuse to adapt and say they would rather get on disability. These people are able to work at a different type of job but chose not to. One patient that comes to mind was an operator at a plant and due to a neck surgery was unable to perform the physical work required by his job. I told him there are other jobs he can still do. His response,"I ain't working at no Home Depot for $10.00". If the eligibility bar for SSI wasn't so low he would have to adapt and would find a job. I am by no means wanting to throw the truly disabled under the bus.

This video demonstrates well adapting to your disability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xhVaoi7_TI

 

[762NATO]

As a physical therapist I am one of the links in the chain patients pass through for SSI disability. The social security administration requests my evaluations, treatment notes, plan of care, etc. and they are considered legal documents. They also send a report I must fill out requesting all objective findings. I deal with physical impairments, pain, and to some degree assist getting the patient to the proper mental health professional should they need it. As a physical therapist part of my job is to assist people to adapt their limitations to their environment. I've had patients who can do a different type of work refuse to adapt and say they would rather get on disability. These people are able to work at a different type of job but chose not to. One patient that comes to mind was an operator at a plant and due to a neck surgery was unable to perform the physical work required by his job. I told him there are other jobs he can still do. His response,"I ain't working at no Home Depot for $10.00". If the eligibility bar for SSI wasn't so low he would have to adapt and would find a job. I am by no means wanting to throw the truly disabled under the bus.

This video demonstrates well adapting to your disability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xhVaoi7_TI

Your a PT? HUH! Small world it is! Sorry for getting snippy. Wow. Indeed that is a great example. Wow.

Then ypu are *really* going to dislike mine. Nothign personal against the OP, but as someone who paid a LOT into SS and will never see any (or at best very, very little) I don't think anyone who has not paid into it should get any payments. Do I think there should be a system to take the place of SSI? Probably so, but it should not be coming from the SS system, that's not what it was meant for.

Why do you think that? Just curious, and no offense taken, friend.

 

[W1nds0rF0x]

Because Social Security was meant to be a supplement to help older people who lived past the normal age of death, at least what was normal at that time. It is not and has never been liquid enough to cover people who are disabled. You can not continue to pay out more than you bring in an expect the system to survive.

 

[762NATO]

True. They're making a Pinto do the job of an F150. One is left to wonder if privatizing SS or SSI/D is a good idea.

 

[W1nds0rF0x]

Let's just say that no one has ever show me any viable evidence that privatization of anything is a better alternative than just doing it properly.

 

[Russo]

Let's just say that no one has ever show me any viable evidence that privatization of anything is a better alternative than just doing it properly.

my first choice would be to opt out and eventually close the programs.. but i would certainly move in a direction to where everybody is in charge of the money they put into it... let banks compete for taxpayer's money and if i want to put my taxes into a local bank or national chain, that would be up to me... this would be the end of the fractional reserve system, which the globablists arent in favor of....