Iraq Redux Part Deux v. ISIL

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Are you an SF Guy? Nobody ever has a problem putting other people on the ground. So to be clear you wanna kill the Sunni Terrorist but the Shia Terrorist are A OK? ISIS is very active in
Syria do you advocate going there to get them
As well? Since your solution just involves killing people are we gonna crank that back up in 2 years when the broken inequitable Iraqi Government creates the problem
Again?

If you disagree with the conclusion on Air Power please cite an example where it has worked? It didn't work in WW2 or Vietnam or The Balkans or Iraq or Libiya or Pakistan. But this is different?

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Last time you were on the range.... Are you ****ing kidding me?

 

[doc ace]

I'm confused as to how the **** you could tell good from bad there... Same people that fed us some nights were the same ones walking through our formations strapped with suicide vests.


The only time we were positive they were el habi was when 7.62x39 started clapping back at us

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

You mean ISIS doesn't wear ISIS patches?!?

 

[doc ace]

No way man, they strap on road guard vests and pack fluorescent AKs to let us know they are indeed a terrorist organization. You long tabbed mother ****ers don't know that yet?!

 

[Hitman]

Last time I was at the range
I heard it was tattoo'd on their forehead.


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[doc ace]

But the Sahweh (Sons of Iraq) were former insurgents who fought alongside us to liberate their villages and show Al Qaeda they weren't afraid to hide behind man dresses and crowds. Some of the biggest balls I've seen in a long time !

 

[oleheat]

Wonder if this is legit?

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Probably so. The current gov of Iraq is an Iranian Proxy.

 

[tim9lives]

Lindsey Graham on Face the Nation Video link

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/lindsey-graham-seeds-of-911-being-planted-in-iraq-syria/


Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., warned that the next 9/11 attack could emanate from Iraq and Syria if the U.S. does not take steps to immediately halt the advance of the Islamic militants sweeping toward the Iraqi capital of Baghdad.

"We need air power immediately to stop the advance toward Baghdad," Graham said on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, warning that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) - the jihadists who are an offshoot of al Qaeda - could control the entire northern half of the country and use it to march on Jordan and Lebanon while Iran moves in to control the south.


Iraq violence continues as suicide attack rocks Baghdad
The South Carolina senator added that the director of national intelligence and the head of the FBI have both warned that ISIS, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL, has promised to carry out the next 9/11 attacks.

"I think it's inevitable. The seeds of 9/11 are being planted all over Iraq and Syria. You don't have to believe me, this is what they're telling you they're gonna do. They're not hiding their agenda. They want an Islamic caliphate," Graham said. "They plan to drive us out of the Mideast by attacking us here at home."

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Thanks Senator Obvious...

 

[MTx11B]

As a side note looks like a few security companies are gearing up Academi is hiring 600 contractors by December and a few others are doing the same just because the government doesnt want to get to involved doesnt mean you still cant go get some trigger time in ...end side note

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[rattler]

Last time you were on the range.... Are you ****ing kidding me?

It was a metaphor, chill your ****.

 

[rattler]

You mean ISIS doesn't wear ISIS patches?!?

They carry banners and post themselves all over social media. Am I under your skin? I'm sensing some weapons grade sarcasm.

 

[Jack]

What happened to some of the posts in here?

 

[rattler]

Have you served in Iraq or Afghanistan? Im asking not to pick a fight but because I hear a lot of altruistic gusto that tends to fall away after you see
The place and the problems first hand. So who should we
Start killing? How do you suggest we select and vet the targets?

Iraq in 07, Afghanistan in 09. It's not altruistic, it's beneficial to the US and our foreign policy in the long run not to stand idly by here. I was barely 19 in 07, so I'm sure I didn't appreciate the situation at the time. We should start denying Isis their current operational freedom. Destroy their vehicles, equipment, and show those rallying to their banner that they're making a poor choice by killing them whenever we can. Don't act like this isn't a target rich environment, leave the target vetting to the commanders.

 

[rattler]

Are you an SF Guy? Nobody ever has a problem putting other people on the ground. So to be clear you wanna kill the Sunni Terrorist but the Shia Terrorist are A OK? ISIS is very active in
Syria do you advocate going there to get them
As well? Since your solution just involves killing people are we gonna crank that back up in 2 years when the broken inequitable Iraqi Government creates the problem
Again?

If you disagree with the conclusion on Air Power please cite an example where it has worked? It didn't work in WW2 or Vietnam or The Balkans or Iraq or Libiya or Pakistan. But this is different?

No, I'm not an SF guy and again you're patronizing me. Clearly it would be easier to do nothing and criticize those that want to do something. You sound like you have a crystal ball over there, do you think you could share it with us? As to your conclusion on air power this is different based on the objectives. In each of those situations, excluding WWII, air power achieved very real successes only to be hamstrung by politicians. No one is arguing that they didn't need ground forces or that they won't be necessary.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

What do you do in the military?

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

And yes they act up and stand around under banners when they are safe. When they know people are watching they shockingly don't. It isn't anywhere near as simple as go kill bad guys. Killing some bad guys won't make it better because you can't kill fanatics faster than they can be created. It's been proven conclusively proven over the last 12 years. In fact it's a principle tenant of COIN Operations. You have to fix what's causing them to radicalize. In this case the current political situation in Iraq and in a larger sense the Shia vs. Sunni/Persian vs. Arab struggle make it impossible to fix. Right now they are fixated on killing each other. Stepping in on one side or the other without balance or a grander strategy will simply result in a worse end state than currently exists. Team America World Police has proven to be a deeply flawed Foreign Policy. We have sunk thousand of lives and Trillions of dollars into Wars that have been fought on a year to year day to day crisis to crisis basis without creating any lasting or real security for the UNited States. General Mattis said it best when he said as often as not it's the people you don't kill that make the difference rather than the ones you did. In this case without an sense of goal, intent, end state, and strategy this will simply be another exercise where we kill bad guys by the drive, accomplish nothing except create thousands more.

 

[rattler]

Tell me about your career first, lol.