Iraq Redux Part Deux v. ISIL

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  • oleheat

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    I'm sure we will be hearing more concerning this....AP just had it on their wire, as well.

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    rattler

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    I did not realize that the intelligence apparatus in Iraq had been dismantled to that degree. The issue at hand becomes not whether we should do something, but rather what can we do that would be successful in improving the situation. *It’s hard to imagine how we could do something that would produce...even the most modest tactical advantage,* It's a shame we let it get this bad and were caught so unprepared.
     

    Jasarii

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    US-made Stinger missiles have likely fallen into ISIS hands, officials say

    U.S. officials with access to the latest U.S. intelligence on Iraq told Fox News it "appears likely/probable" that U.S.-made Stinger missiles have fallen into the hands of Sunni insurgents.

    It is possible that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighters acquired them from army bases they have taken over in recent days, the sources said.


    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...-likely-fallen-into-isis-hands-officials-say/
     

    Vanilla Gorilla

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    Stinger Missles are not the Little Fingers of Good they are made out to be. I'd be a whole lot more worried if the Jihadis got ahold of a bunch of Javelins.
     

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    US-made Stinger missiles have likely fallen into ISIS hands, officials say

    U.S. officials with access to the latest U.S. intelligence on Iraq told Fox News it "appears likely/probable" that U.S.-made Stinger missiles have fallen into the hands of Sunni insurgents.

    It is possible that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighters acquired them from army bases they have taken over in recent days, the sources said.


    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...-likely-fallen-into-isis-hands-officials-say/

    Stinger Missles are not the Little Fingers of Good they are made out to be. I'd be a whole lot more worried if the Jihadis got ahold of a bunch of Javelins.

    Stinger: Range 5000 feet (basically a mile). Relatively small and compact (basically the size of fly rod tube). Alleged new owners of them (want to kill Americans/Westerners at all costs). Costs. (New owners have acquired millions of dollars in interest free financing).

    These guys below carry 5 times that much stuff across the porous US border everyday.



    Now, it may be a stretch to get them here; but I doubt it is that difficult in the Middle East/Western Europe. :dunno:
     

    Vanilla Gorilla

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    There have been MANPADs as effective as the Stinger commonly available all over
    The world since the 1970s. Guided Missle Systems require maintenance. They have to be stored correctly. They need specialized not commercially available batteries. It's not as easy as people think it is.

    Call me crazy but the cartels in Mexico have a Trillion Dollar interest in making sure things guaranteed to increase Border Security don't cross the border. Nobody cares about dope and aliens but let a MANPAD that kills an Airliner get traced back to the border and see how quickly America gets real and your
    Profits suffer. Plus why trust someone to carry across when you can just pack it into a
    Conex box?
     

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    There have been MANPADs as effective as the Stinger commonly available all over
    The world since the 1970s. Guided Missle Systems require maintenance. They have to be stored correctly. They need specialized not commercially available batteries. It's not as easy as people think it is.

    Call me crazy but the cartels in Mexico have a Trillion Dollar interest in making sure things guaranteed to increase Border Security don't cross the border. Nobody cares about dope and aliens but let a MANPAD that kills an Airliner get traced back to the border and see how quickly America gets real and your
    Profits suffer. Plus why trust someone to carry across when you can just pack it into a
    Conex box?

    I hear ya! But don't Americans regularly fly all over the globe? I guess it wouldn't be as bad as if they get here (since most Americans can't think about what's outside of their yards), but how much less impact if these animals shoot down a US tourist laden jet bound for Italy?
     

    Vanilla Gorilla

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    They have been commonly available all over the world since the 70s. Quadaffi had the largest stock in the world. He never got a plane with one. Only 40% of his stock is accounted for.
     

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    My friend said this a.m. that they(ISIL and Former Sadaam Party) (He pronounces it bath-eez party)
    are in-fighting on which flag to fly over the cities that the Iraqi Gov. doesn't control.
    The Saddam Era Iraqi Flag or the Black ISIL Flag.
     

    Emperor

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    They have been commonly available all over the world since the 70s. Quadaffi had the largest stock in the world. He never got a plane with one. Only 40% of his stock is accounted for.

    Wouldn't it be nice to hear just one; ONE, military analyst relay that same info on ANY news outlets. Because if that is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve you, then the mere mention of the subject without that caveat is irresponsible.
     

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    My friend said this a.m. that they(ISIL and Former Sadaam Party) (He pronounces it bath-eez party)
    are in-fighting on which flag to fly over the cities that the Iraqi Gov. doesn't control.
    The Saddam Era Iraqi Flag or the Black ISIL Flag.

    How about they settle on this one! Maybe dip it in a little more blood.
     

    Vanilla Gorilla

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    My friend said this a.m. that they(ISIL and Former Sadaam Party) (He pronounces it bath-eez party)
    are in-fighting on which flag to fly over the cities that the Iraqi Gov. doesn't control.
    The Saddam Era Iraqi Flag or the Black ISIL Flag.


    Within one month it will be the same everybody vs. everybody stalemate that currently exists in Syria.
     

    Vanilla Gorilla

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    Wouldn't it be nice to hear just one; ONE, military analyst relay that same info on ANY news outlets. Because if that is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve you, then the mere mention of the subject without that caveat is irresponsible.

    It's sensationalist media. I saw a link to some stupid Glenn Beck Rant it was: Blah blah Terrorist blah blah Israel blah blah God Bless blah blah Nuclear Option. Basically it was a bunch of words that stir emotion with no actual facts to hold them together. It's cognitive cheese puffs. But its profitable so it is what ALL of the networks do. I don't know a single credible intel expert who would sit and talk to the media. Nobody want's their name attached to a bunch of misconstrued , out of context info.



    http://defensetech.org/2011/04/21/libyan-surface-to-air-missiles-in-al-qaedas-hands/


    http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/...-missiles-near-tripoli?chromedomain=worldnews

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...les-and-uranium/story-fnb64oi6-1226744779397#

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/21/west-libya-weapons-mali

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/28/syria-middleeast

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gaddafi-dead-brit-commanders-fear-88152
     

    Emperor

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    It's sensationalist media. I saw a link to some stupid Glenn Beck Rant it was: Blah blah Terrorist blah blah Israel blah blah God Bless blah blah Nuclear Option. Basically it was a bunch of words that stir emotion with no actual facts to hold them together. It's cognitive cheese puffs. But its profitable so it is what ALL of the networks do. I don't know a single credible intel expert who would sit and talk to the media. Nobody want's their name attached to a bunch of misconstrued , out of context info.



    http://defensetech.org/2011/04/21/libyan-surface-to-air-missiles-in-al-qaedas-hands/


    http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/...-missiles-near-tripoli?chromedomain=worldnews

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...les-and-uranium/story-fnb64oi6-1226744779397#

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/21/west-libya-weapons-mali

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/28/syria-middleeast

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gaddafi-dead-brit-commanders-fear-88152

    I'm a huge fan of (Ret.) Colonel Ralph Peters; are you suggesting that he may have sold his own integrity to Fox News? He seems like a stand up guy.
     

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