What is the best plastic pistol out right now and why?

[SpeedRacer]

I'm liking the way this thread is headed!

 

[rcm192]

Maybe they will be in the future but right now we have to look at sample size and there just aren't enough P30s out there to know. There are also some other metrics that hurt the P30 for instance; find a Retention Holster for a P30 with a light. It may not matter to you npbut it does to some. Along the same lines I have found Glock 19 magazines and parts all over the Globe. I think the P30 is neat. I prefer the P2000. If there was ever a Striker Fired P30L I would take a long look, but, the P30 isn't ready for a title shot yet.

ahh you win! looks like ill have to get a G19 too.

 

[Trey@IG]

i vote for NERF....






i <3 my HK usp. its the only other polymer gun ive owned besides a xdm .45 which i hated. and i can shoot it well so thats all that really matters in the end....

 

[dwr461]

H&K, GLOCK, M&P, XDM, whatever... They're all reliable and reasonable accurate. The person using them is far more important than any of the differences between them.

Dave

 

[SpeedRacer]

Defensive??? C'mon, bud... you have me confused with someone who gives a **** about all of this.

Oh, wait... that's right... you used to be a Serbo-Croat Special guy, didn't you???

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I quoted you, but was referring to the guy who went on the tirade you had quoted.

Yes, my first guns were XDs. It's what the guy at the gunstore sold me when I had no idea what I wanted. Through further research, advice and training, I decided to move on from them. I have nothing to be ashamed of, though you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting folks based on their firearms purchases. Instead, focus on the positive strides I've made in my firearms skills and decisions. We're all on the same team here, Steve.







Man, I actually got douche chills typing that. I bet I had you going though.

 

[returningliberty]

Well, if you're basing your decision on low parts count, you're pretty well stuck with Glock. The HKs have about the same number of parts as a P-series Sig, less parts than most other DA/SA bottom feeders, and don't even get NEAR a DA revolver. You'll get the vapors...

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Lol I believe you. And I like my uspc, it shoots like a dream and I honestly prefer hammers over strikers. And don't get me wrong, in the 3k or so rounds I've fired through it, I've never had a problem that I remember. The sheer number of tiny moving pieces does turn me off to use it as a carry gun though. So just for simple elegance, I choose the glock as best. Don't take that as an HK bash, I spent 2 hours with my dad (his first handgun buy) and ended up recommending the HK45 for him.

Reason: he's got large hands and it fit him well, he won't clean it much, he likes the hammer/safety/decocker, it's German and he drives Beemers so he automatically trusted it (lol), and he can afford it.

 

[Hardballing]

Speed,

Did they actually also misspell accuracy, in addition to the more obvious...um...compromise?

Hilarious.

Or was the copy written by Astro Jetson? (think about it).

 

[rcm192]

What about a cz rami polymer?

OR

A baby eagle polymer?

anyone have much to say about these two?

 

[anakha]

am i the only one who noticed the mag loaded backwards... that kinda ruins reliability lol

i have to agree that its what you are most comfotable with, i prefer the XD.

 

[SGT_Kramer]

Thank you all for your responses!!! I know now have to buy a glock, HK M&P and XDM and thank you all!

 

[SGT_Kramer]

No bu seriously I'm going to range this weekend and hope the gen 4 G19 feels better then the old g17 I tried shooting with my friends for awile. If I just don't care for how it feels I'll look into M&P then XD as owning a HK seems to make you post too many pictures

 

[leVieux]

Y'all aren't gonna like this; BUT, I have a bunch of GLOCKS, Colts, Walthers, a Kimber, and a stack of other pieces.

The only ones which have NEVER malfunctioned are my old Python and a "cheap" Taurus Millenium Pro PT-145.

leVieux

 

[goteron]

Move it to a usable metric. Failures per 1000 rounds maybe.

I don't know how anyone can dispute the G19s supremacy.

And HKs... They don't shoot the bullet any faster than a glock. Caveman pangris..... I knew I'd get to use that.

 

[oleheat]

Just because others may believe one plastic pistol is "the best" doesn't mean it's the best FOR YOU.

That would be whichever one you feel the most comfortable with- so try them all and pick a winner!

 

[SpeedRacer]

Just because others may believe one plastic pistol is "the best" doesn't mean it's the best FOR YOU.

That would be whichever one you feel the most comfortable with- so try them all and pick a winner!

You are absolutely correct. There's so many different models of Glock, you should really try them all before deciding on which one to buy.

 

[oleheat]

You are absolutely correct. There's so many different models of Glock, you should really try them all before deciding on which one to buy.

I wasn't gonna go there, but since you did......That narrows it down to the 21, 21SF, 30, 3OSF, or the 36- because of the fact that any pistol caliber other than a .45 ACP is garbage.

 

[JBP55]

You are absolutely correct. There's so many different models of Glock, you should really try them all before deciding on which one to buy.

 

[Mjolnir]

Maybe they will be in the future but right now we have to look at sample size and there just aren't enough P30s out there to know. There are also some other metrics that hurt the P30 for instance; find a Retention Holster for a P30 with a light. It may not matter to you npbut it does to some. Along the same lines I have found Glock 19 magazines and parts all over the Globe. I think the P30 is neat. I prefer the P2000. If there was ever a Striker Fired P30L I would take a long look, but, the P30 isn't ready for a title shot yet.

I will still pick HK over Glock for reliability and durability. I'd definitely choose the HK for accuracy and ergonomics.

But I concede to your points about global availability of parts and pure volume of the things out there - as well as price.

A question we play when "everyone" is at the shop is ask such questions. A better question would be:

For US use only, choose a pistol.
For North America use only, choose a pistol.
For the EU use only, choose a pistol.
For Africa use only...

The group consists of persons with your background, FBI HRT, FAM, local SWAT cops with various backgrounds and engineer-shooters.

The only large diversity is the US-only choice which is where HK is dominant. There are a large number who still choose HK for exclusive EU use but the rest is ALL Glock - evenly split between the 19 and 17.

Oh HK has a project, it's rumored, called internally the P46 that is striker fired. I imagine that the new Walther PPQ is pretty much what it is.




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[JBP55]

If HK builds a striker fired pistol I hope they offer it with a LEM Light trigger and a normal magazine release.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Based on what I know about HK pistols, most of which comes from Wilcox, there won't be a Sriker Fired HK Auto until a .mil or large European Police Contract demands one. Unlike S&W, Glock, or SiG, HK is not beholden to the US LE market. They have very little market share here and they are ok with that. For Cops in the US your stuck with the P2000 and USP. Safariland doesn't do much for the P30 and as of right now Safariland makes the only credible retention holsters.

For me and my personal choice im just to heavily invested in 9mm Glocks and their support gear. The P30 is a better built pistol. There isn't a doubt. The P2000 is also pretty nice but neither performs better enough for me to consider a switch.