The ATF is at it again!
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The guy makes a lot of good points. The majority of which I believe most responsible shooters already know. My problem is that he repeatedly expresses that any 5.56 ammo will defeat body armor (trauma plates excluded I would hope) and for LEOs' sake, I wish he wouldn't do that. But he may be missing the point. The whole concept of the "AP ammo and pistol" topic, as proposed by the ATF is just a guise to remove ammo (and later maybe firearms) from availability to the public. Back in the late 80's or maybe early 90's the SS109 rounds were actually cheaper than the Lake City M193 because of mil surp and factory overrun and missed bids. At the moment there's only about a 1-2 cent per round difference in the two and we are indeed on the cusp of another time of surplus, which the current price suggests. Mil surp 5.56 ammo quantities (foreign and domestic production) on hand are higher than that of commercially produced ammo when it comes to immediate availability. Of course, we know that mil spec ammo is made in these same factories, but in larger volume, and much of it is repackaged as commercial ammo. That's a large injection into the civilian market. If the military used and bought .22LR in the same quantities and the same rules applied, we would never have seen a "shortage" of .22LR available to the public.
Another potential move on the part of the ATF might be to ban all military style or mil surp ammo. It was not long ago that the government decided that the military would no longer sell it's fired brass in bulk for reman'd ammo production, rather selling it for scrap metal. I'm not sure who decided that, but I believe I know the intended purpose.
As for me, I've long tried to store about even numbers when it comes to 193 and 855. I find the 855 to be more accurate in the majority of my ARs but there are times when I only shoot 193 or some of the heavier loads depending on the targets I'm shooting or the rifle . Say what you will, 855 rounds do damage steel plate that otherwise may laugh at 193. So, for the moment, while the price is not through the roof, I will buy what I can.
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Correct on the criteria...but like the ATF has done in the past, using logic/data/common sense is a non factor when it comes to these clowns. Hope I'm wrong, but this looks like it's already gonna be a done deal.
This 30day comment period is basically a window of time for companies to clear out all their stock.
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Im not so certain. I hope it doesn't happen, but I believe they will ban it until someone challenges them in court and wins. Which will take plenty of time and money.
What seems to be missing in all this banter is where is the legal Constitutional authority of the dumbass and his minions to subvert these laws. I have been hearing how this idiot has been breaking this law and that law, and he is doing this outside of the Constitution and that outside of the Constitution, but there is no vehicle to stop it?
Case and point; dumbass proclaims that 5 million illegal aliens (felons under our Constitution mind you), can stay here and get driver's licenses and on demand ER care and public schooling, and jobs, for starters. Every one that is not a ideological zombie says he has overstepped his authority, and broken the law; even Constitutional scholars and judges, yet the best remedy is to cut funding from DHS?
Something is extremely worrisome and wrong with that. People don't cause this crap by posting pictures and videos. This is a high jacking of the law! This is really a far left rabble rouser that has decided to just throw **** against the wall to see if it sticks. This knucklehead doesn't care about the Constitution! He couldn't care less what traditional America wants. And he is poking this country in the eye.
And guess what I see? I see a lot of it sticking because there is so much American apathy when we should be dragging this moron from the White House and throwing him in prison.
If the best vehicle the American people have to stop malfeasance in the White House is slashing funding, we have far larger problems than idiots posting pictures of Sig Braces and green tip ammo.
I know one thing...the possibility that the availablitity of this cartridge being available to the public for purchase goes away is for real. This would not just be a shortage...So if anyone wants some/more of this stuff, they better buy it now.
I prefer the XM193, but have plenty of the M855 stacked deep from last year.
And it's two types of ppl buying it like crazy:
A.) ppl that want it before its possibly no longer available for purchase.
B.) ppl that bought a Sh!@ ton Friday night to resell at $1.00 a rd(or more) when ATF pulls their unconstitutional move.
Just like when .22ammo was bad (Still is somewhat)...ppl have a choice on whether or not they over pay for ammo from ppl. But think about this...If it is not longer available and goes away for good...what happens to the street value of these Green Tips? Does it stay at .36-.46 per round? I think we all know the answer to that.
I prefer the XM193, but have plenty of the M855 stacked deep from last year.
And it's two types of ppl buying it like crazy:
A.) ppl that want it before its possibly no longer available for purchase.
B.) ppl that bought a Sh!@ ton Friday night to resell at $1.00 a rd(or more) when ATF pulls their unconstitutional move.
Just like when .22ammo was bad (Still is somewhat)...ppl have a choice on whether or not they over pay for ammo from ppl. But think about this...If it is not longer available and goes away for good...what happens to the street value of these Green Tips? Does it stay at .36-.46 per round? I think we all know the answer to that.
[ATF will accept comments on this proposal until March 16, 2015. Email or write ATF today and tell them you oppose this unnecessary, misguided and damaging ban on commonly used ammunition for America's most popular sporting rifles.
You can send your comments to APAComments@atf.gov]
Contact ATF: Oppose 5.56 M855 Ball Ammunition Ban
by NSSF | Monday, February 16th, 2015
You can send your comments to APAComments@atf.gov]
Contact ATF: Oppose 5.56 M855 Ball Ammunition Ban
by NSSF | Monday, February 16th, 2015
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Gator 45/70
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I don't think our 2nd amendment rights should be based on 'Americas Sporting Rifles'
Bingo! The 2nd Amendment is not a hunting or sporting Amendment. It was intended to give the civilian population the ability to defend against criminals, domestic enemies, foreign invaders, and even our own government if becomes tyrannical like England. A separate part of the Constitution provides for a standing army and navy(we would otherwise be the only country in the world to pass a special provision to allow the military to have firearms.)
To protect the lives and safety of law enforcement officers from the threat posed by
ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun.
The first line.
How many officers have been killed by M855. [ edited to add 7n6 ?]
Once again, using their same dishonest tactics.
ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun.
The first line.
How many officers have been killed by M855. [ edited to add 7n6 ?]
Once again, using their same dishonest tactics.
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That reads like Nazi propaganda. What else can we expect from a government that borrowed legislation from Nazi Germany? What do you expect from a government that passes gun laws at the behest of the KKK?
Looks like the run has already started. I had several choices Friday night and well into Saturday morning as I ordered, debated, ordered more.... Now the 3 vendors I have been ordering from lately are showing none in stock....so I bought 10k rounds of SS 109 bullets in bulk with free shipping at 9.8 cents each. And this afternoon it's no longer in stock as well.
I reckon if it hits a buck per round I'll sell off 8 or 10 thousand rounds. But I promise not to do it here.
I reckon if it hits a buck per round I'll sell off 8 or 10 thousand rounds. But I promise not to do it here.
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ATF to ban m855 green tip. They taking your opinions. Email them!
CONTACT THE ATF to comment on the proposal:
Take a moment to make your voices heard on this topic! Please be polite in your comment and indicate M855 ammunition has a sporting purpose.
E-mail: APAComments@atf.gov
Fax: (202) 648-9741.
Mail: Denise Brown
Mailstop 6N-602
Office of Regulatory Affairs
Enforcement Programs and Services – ATF
99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226
ATTN: AP Ammo Comments
Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/ammo/contact-atf-oppose-m855-ammo-ban/#ixzz3S2vuZUaO
CONTACT THE ATF to comment on the proposal:
Take a moment to make your voices heard on this topic! Please be polite in your comment and indicate M855 ammunition has a sporting purpose.
E-mail: APAComments@atf.gov
Fax: (202) 648-9741.
Mail: Denise Brown
Mailstop 6N-602
Office of Regulatory Affairs
Enforcement Programs and Services – ATF
99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226
ATTN: AP Ammo Comments
Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/ammo/contact-atf-oppose-m855-ammo-ban/#ixzz3S2vuZUaO
I debated too Friday night, made up my mind Saturday morning all my sites I like were sold out...so I cleaned out all the Walmarts & Academies in Jefferson, lol, got over 5000 rounds. Paid Walmart & Academy prices (which aren't horrible) prices but I'm done. Now if/when they ban it I won't be kicking myself. Saturday night I saw CTD selling 90 round packs for $60. They're always the first to start gouging.
