Young Boy strip searched by TSA

[Cat]

Yeah she was an amazing governor. She got stuff DONE.

Cat as for the "relax and enjoy it" quote, For crying out loud READ THE REST OF THE THREAD.

You should know me better than that.

I know you're a good Christian but I do disagree with your feelings on this topic. These procedures are an ineffective attempt at security. My hardware, seven screws and two plates, if I understand it correctly, will not show. Breast implants will not show. Vaginal or anal insertions will not show. Baby formula is still allowed on board. Toiletries up to X amount in standard airline approved containers are allowed. In other words, we are still affording PLENTY of explosive opportunities on a flight.

The only thing TSA has succeeded at is chasing after methods of terrorism that we have already experienced. And those same terrorists are just as active in inventing new methods of attack. Nothing is being accomplished past a probable unlawful search among innocent civilians. No, TSA probably isn't at fault with stripping this boy. His own father did that. But that does not erase the countless episodes we've heard in recent days.

The spokesperson for TSA said images were not accessible nor stored off site. In the same interview he said the images were viewed in another location, and promptly deleted.

Individuals with medical devices are being embarrassed and degraded. Absolutely nothing changed with these people between the time of no pat downs and today except for a failed jacked up attempt to look proactive in the face of terrorism. Terrorism that evolves much faster than TSA security protocols. We're chasing our own damned tails while giving them a free pass elsewhere.

 

[my-rifle]

I know you're a good Christian but I do disagree with your feelings on this topic. These procedures are an ineffective attempt at security. My hardware, seven screws and two plates, if I understand it correctly, will not show. Breast implants will not show. Vaginal or anal insertions will not show. Baby formula is still allowed on board. Toiletries up to X amount in standard airline approved containers are allowed. In other words, we are still affording PLENTY of explosive opportunities on a flight.

The only thing TSA has succeeded at is chasing after methods of terrorism that we have already experienced. And those same terrorists are just as active in inventing new methods of attack. Nothing is being accomplished past a probable unlawful search among innocent civilians. No, TSA probably isn't at fault with stripping this boy. His own father did that. But that does not erase the countless episodes we've heard in recent days.

The spokesperson for TSA said images were not accessible nor stored off site. In the same interview he said the images were viewed in another location, and promptly deleted.

Individuals with medical devices are being embarrassed and degraded. Absolutely nothing changed with these people between the time of no pat downs and today except for a failed jacked up attempt to look proactive in the face of terrorism. Terrorism that evolves much faster than TSA security protocols. We're chasing our own damned tails while giving them a free pass elsewhere.

Actually I'm a terrible Christian, but I agree with you on everything else. My big beef was with making a scene when it happens and scaring my daughter.

 

[Cat]

I can see where you're coming from. Kids react to our reactions. But at the same time, if we don't teach them principle, it's raising a generation without the knowledge of fundamental right and wrong. Our children aren't criminals. They shouldn't be raised to believe it is ok to be treated as such.

It's never wrong to stand up for their rights as long as they know Daddy isn't mad at something they did.

 

[my-rifle]

I think I'd rather do that off-line if you know what I mean. I don't want her to be afraid of doctors, LEOs, or others like these TSA people doing their jobs. These guys aren't aroused by searching children any more than you or I would be. I'm pretty sure they're really uncomfortable, but they have to do their jobs. Why punish them? We should be making our points to the agency directors, not the poor schmucks that have to do this or try to find work in this economy.

Several years ago I was going through Munich airport or maybe it was Frankfurt, and a sign sent all Americans off to a concourse to be searched. A big sign where we entered said, "Please do not be angry with us. These are your laws, not ours." A poor guy had to feel my stuff with his rubber gloves and his uncomfortable look. I clapped him on the back and said, "Oh you lucky man." He started laughing as did the employees on both sides of us. They clearly did not like this part of their jobs. He smirked, "Here in Chermany vee haff only vun man for vun voman." It really wasn't a big deal.

 

[Leonidas]

Actually I'm a terrible Christian, but I agree with you on everything else. My big beef was with making a scene when it happens and scaring my daughter.

Actually, there are NO good Christians, and NO bad Christians....only forgiven ones. Now that's good news.

 

[Mjolnir]

This picture about sums up many in the USA, unfortunately. It never ceases to amaze me the vast amount of liberty people are okay about giving up by rationalizing it to themselves...

 

[herohog]

Pardon the vulgarity. I've come up with a plan to humiliate my TSA screener during my holiday travels. After talking it over with my fiancé she has agreed to help. I intend to fly from New Orleans to DC and will probably encounter the "enhanced" security procedures. I plan to deny the scanner and opt for the pat down. At which point I will have a raging hard on and stare my screener in the eye. Hopefully ruining the day of one of the TSA gestapo.

I am SO glad someone read my suggestion and took it to heart! Want some Cialis? The VA won't give me Viagra!

 

[my-rifle]

Actually, there are NO good Christians, and NO bad Christians....only forgiven ones. Now that's good news.

Good point. The forgiven ones are those who accept that they are failures as Christians and tell God that they are not worthy of salvation.

But I'm not Christian at all. I just know the dogma really well. It's good by me. How else am I going to raise my daughter to be a good Christian? yeah. I know

 

[CEHollier]

Funny that you should think of that. Kind of ate up with sexual deviants aren't you? I wonder why ...

The only thing I'm eaten up with is intrusions on my personal liberties. If you have no problem with people getting a thrill feeling up you or your family that is your problem. It is a fact. People will be people and this is a "free pass" for deviants to get a thrill. If you can't see that I will never be able to explain it where you can grasp it. And as to your innuendo "wonder why" you don't know me at all. Anyone who has no problem with what's going on, in my opinion, lacks balls. So untape your testicles from between your legs and stand for something.

 

[mikepizz]

don't you guys and gals understand why the pat downs are so extreme? TSA wants to force everyone into the scanners which cause cancer so these people will die and reduce the burden on the health care system and social security system. people can try to sue the government but they won't win. this is just preparing people for the very near future.

 

[my-rifle]

People will be people and this is a "free pass" for deviants to get a thrill.

Yes, that's the purpose of this regulation - to give a free pass to deviants I guess when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail ...

 

[Hitman]

Yes, that's the purpose of this regulation - to give a free pass to deviants I guess when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail ...

Wow Mr. Strawman, again?

He didn't say it was it's purpose.

Here's what he said broken down for better understanding;

It is a fact. People will be people and this is a "free pass" for deviants to get a thrill. .

Then;

If you can't see that I will never be able to explain it where you can grasp it. .

Not sure why you insist on putting words in people's mouths

I guess when all you have is jokes, everything is a joke?

 

[CEHollier]

Yes, that's the purpose of this regulation - to give a free pass to deviants I guess when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail ...

Incredible. I never said the purpose of the regulation was to give deviants a free pass. I said it violates our rights and is too intrusive. Deviant thrills are a reality because of the human element. There are not enough words in the English language to explain to you how wrong this is. Again, if uncontested this is the first step of many that will slowly erode our rights and freedoms leading to a totalitarian government. I will even go as far as to call your mindset a cancer eroding at the moral fabric of this great country.

 

[my-rifle]

Incredible. I never said the purpose of the regulation was to give deviants a free pass. I said it violates our rights and is too intrusive. Deviant thrills are a reality because of the human element. There are not enough words in the English language to explain to you how wrong this is. Again, if uncontested this is the first step of many that will slowly erode our rights and freedoms leading to a totalitarian government. I will even go as far as to call your mindset a cancer eroding at the moral fabric of this great country.

So I suppose that the medical profession is a free pass for pedophiles as well?

 

[CEHollier]

So I suppose that the medical profession is a free pass for pedophiles as well?

While you are growing some balls also grow a brain. So now you are compairing the level of professionalism of a TSA agent to a physician. Don't you think that is a bit of a stretch. HS diploma/GED vs 8+ years of college and numerous years of interning/fellowships. The next time you need an examination or a proctoscope save your money and let a TSA agent diagnose you and treat you. I hope you are trolling and don't honestly believe the idiocracy you are posting.

 

[my-rifle]

Ahhh ... The Ad hominem fallacy.

I'm surprised Hitman hasn't weighed in on this. I suppose he hasn't reached that point in his Philosophy 101 class.

Both professions have to fondle your stuff, but I guess it's OK for a doctor to do it all alone, but not a TSA agent to do it under supervision. I think you're just looking to cause trouble, and you'll stretch reality any way to can to do so.

 

[Hitman]

Ahhh ... The Ad hominem fallacy.

I'm surprised Hitman hasn't weighed in on this. I suppose he hasn't reached that point in his Philosophy 101 class.

Both professions have to fondle your stuff, but I guess it's OK for a doctor to do it all alone, but not a TSA agent to do it under supervision. I think you're just looking to cause trouble, and you'll stretch reality any way to can to do so.

Not sure how describing/defining the background of each profession he is referencing is considered Ad Hominem. Ad hominem can be a classic logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious. For in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.

He gave evidence in his argument, didn't just throw it out there like you do with your straw man arguments constantly putting words in people mouth and purposely twisting the statements of others then asking a question based on your now twisted version.

I've displayed this for you to see above, yet you keep doing it as if no one is seeing it too. So by all means, carry on.....

 

[gonepecan]

I think you're just looking to cause trouble, and you'll stretch reality any way to can to do so.

No, that's your MO.

 

[my-rifle]

Not sure how describing/defining the background of each profession he is referencing is considered Ad Hominem.

Now you're putting words in My mouth, Straw Man.

 

[Hitman]

Now you're putting words in My mouth, Straw Man.

What the hell are you talking about?

Hollier said;

HS diploma/GED vs 8+ years of college and numerous years of interning/fellowships.

Then you said;

Ahhh ... The Ad hominem fallacy.

So I said;

Not sure how describing/defining the background of each profession he is referencing is considered Ad Hominem.

Then you said;

Now you're putting words in My mouth, Straw Man.

WTF are you talking about?

Unless you are referring to something else being Ad Hom in his sentence. I mean he did insult you but that's not exactly the same as Ad Hom.